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    I have a dream

    Somewhere, and I don't know where yet, I'd like to start a rural community located about 20 miles or so from a major city. And in this community, a system of roads, built and maintained on privately owned land, where nobody, but nobody, is allowed to drive a car. An incorporated municipality where no cars are allowed (I suppose an exception would have to be made for emergency vehicles). And in this dream, the small village eventually grows to be a mid-sized city in its own right, where nobody drives.

    All I need is millions of dollars for a patch of land, political connections to help get a new municipality started, and lots of car-free people willing to move, possibly across the country, to join me in building a new community. Now I'm going back to sleep...I'll deal with reality tomorrow.

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    There are various islands that pop up for sale from time to time.

    Or you can just move to some of the cities that already exist with what you want. Zermatt in Switzerland immediately comes to mind.

    And I am sure you would fit in fine with some of the religious groups in the eastern part of the US such as the Amish.

    Some people have dreams and go back to sleep. Others live them.

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    Who would be a leader in charge of your Utopia ?? What type of laws ?? What type of government ??...Communes started by people with certain ideological beliefs usually turn into cults...Start playing lottery and maybe you will win millions and then you can fulfill your pipedream.

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    Have you been to Zermatt? You might like it there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Cid View Post
    Somewhere, and I don't know where yet, I'd like to start a rural community located about 20 miles or so from a major city. And in this community, a system of roads, built and maintained on privately owned land, where nobody, but nobody, is allowed to drive a car. An incorporated municipality where no cars are allowed (I suppose an exception would have to be made for emergency vehicles). And in this dream, the small village eventually grows to be a mid-sized city in its own right, where nobody drives.

    All I need is millions of dollars for a patch of land, political connections to help get a new municipality started, and lots of car-free people willing to move, possibly across the country, to join me in building a new community. Now I'm going back to sleep...I'll deal with reality tomorrow.
    Live your waking life according to your dream. Maybe you can do this by living carfree now, and working with other dreamers to make your real world community a better place to be carfree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    Have you been to Zermatt? You might like it there.
    Yup. It's very nice there, but expensive too...

    But I'd like to visit the city Freiburg, where a whole part of the city is car-free. And one of those squares there is even bike-free

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Cid View Post
    Somewhere, and I don't know where yet, I'd like to start a rural community located about 20 miles or so from a major city. And in this community, a system of roads, built and maintained on privately owned land, where nobody, but nobody, is allowed to drive a car. An incorporated municipality where no cars are allowed (I suppose an exception would have to be made for emergency vehicles). And in this dream, the small village eventually grows to be a mid-sized city in its own right, where nobody drives.

    All I need is millions of dollars for a patch of land, political connections to help get a new municipality started, and lots of car-free people willing to move, possibly across the country, to join me in building a new community. Now I'm going back to sleep...I'll deal with reality tomorrow.
    Or you can move to Pitcairn Island. Population of 56 people
    There, you don't have to pay for a patch of land, it's free.
    You can move to their Island and build your own house.

    However, there is one car available for the whole island, so it isn't car free....

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    Check out the high desert in California. A history of utopian communities and the elevation makes the air cleaner. There are also a number of failed developments out there, so the land is all platted. and the roads may already be in. With bargain basement prices.
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    Someone is/was attempting to sell a similar "dream" in SC outside of Columbia. Haven't heard much about it lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulevardi View Post
    But I'd like to visit the city Freiburg, where a whole part of the city is car-free. And one of those squares there is even bike-free
    I used to visit Freiburg often while my daughter attended the University. What whole part of Freiburg did you dream was car free?

    Perhaps you meant Vauban, the former military barracks that is now a small community of 5,000 inhabitants, many of whom do not own a car, but is NOT a car-free community. See Vauban, Freiburg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for more details.

    Like all of Freiburg, the Vauban community is well serviced by the local tram network. Anyone who wishes to get by without a car can do so just as easily anywhere else in Freiburg; or any other city as well served by public transport.

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    The Swiss also like high prices but voted down a $14/hour Min wage to pay for it.


    Visited Lelystad in NL , street layout was made car inconvenient, lots of Cul d Sacs so maze like. the Bike paths a much straighter route ..
    Last edited by fietsbob; 05-18-14 at 11:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    I used to visit Freiburg often while my daughter attended the University. What whole part of Freiburg did you dream was car free?

    Perhaps you meant Vauban, the former military barracks that is now a small community of 5,000 inhabitants, many of whom do not own a car, but is NOT a car-free community. See Vauban, Freiburg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for more details.

    Like all of Freiburg, the Vauban community is well serviced by the local tram network. Anyone who wishes to get by without a car can do so just as easily anywhere else in Freiburg; or any other city as well served by public transport.
    Actually, most travel in Vauban is by bicycle, not transit. It is a deliberately planned and purpose-built "town for carfree people" rather than a carfree town. So it seems to be close to what the OP dreamed about. Households with cars must rent parking space in structures on the edge of town, at a cost of €17,500. Cars are permitted on a couple streets, but are limited to walking speed and must yield to other users.

    Here's the conclusion of a short article about Vauban that has more info than the Wikipedia article:

    "Vauban is a success story, with greatly reduced car ownership and bicycle substitution of routine car trips. Key to this is decoupled parking, meaning both car ownership and habitual use are no longer default scenarios: 70% of the households do not have a car, and 41% of car-owners use a bicycle more than they did before moving. The second vital component is the ease with which people can go about their lives without a car, made possible through the provision of local services and jobs, proximity to the city center, extensive infrastructure for walking and cycling and good, low-cost regional transit services. In these circumstances developments such as Vauban can attract people not pre-disposed to an altruistic car-free lifestyle: 57% of residents in car-free households gave up their car when they moved to Vauban."

    Car-free city Vauban

    BTW, the plan for the entire EU (minus the UK) is for every city to be carfree by 2050.


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    J.H. Crawford has been dreaming about carfree cities for years.

    Carfree Cities


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    I think the closest I get will be if I move to Holland, where my sister has been living for about twenty years now. The cars may not be gone, but its pretty easy and safe there to get around on a bike.

    In reality, I'll settle for trying to get more MUPs that run through my own city. I'd like to see something that runs parallel to a main traffic artery, allowing a bicycle to get from one area to another without using the road.

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    There's always Isla Vista.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjforrestal View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    What whole part of Freiburg did you dream was car free?
    Maybe this wasn't a dream:

    Freiburg is known as an "eco-city". It has attracted the Bundesamt für Strahlenschutz, solar industries, and research; the Greens have a stronghold there.... The newly built neighbourhoods of Vauban and Rieselfeld were developed and built according to the idea of sustainability. The citizens of Freiburg are known in Germany for their love of cycling and recycling...Freiburg has an extensive pedestrian zone in the city centre where no motor cars are allowed.

    Freiburg im Breisgau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It looks like a great place to visit or live in--bikes, wine, college town, mild climate, and a pioneering region for carfree living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    BTW, the plan for the entire EU (minus the UK) is for every city to be carfree by 2050.
    This would be threadworthy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    ...Freiburg has an extensive pedestrian zone in the city centre where no motor cars are allowed.
    AFAIK, every German city of any size has a pedestrian only (Fußgängerzone) shopping area usually in the center of town. NL too. Well worth visiting, much better and more educational than dreaming and fantasizing about it.

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    Win the lottery and buy Detroit! Make it the un-motor capital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    I used to visit Freiburg often while my daughter attended the University. What whole part of Freiburg did you dream was car free?

    Perhaps you meant Vauban, the former military barracks that is now a small community of 5,000 inhabitants, many of whom do not own a car, but is NOT a car-free community. See Vauban, Freiburg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for more details.

    Like all of Freiburg, the Vauban community is well serviced by the local tram network. Anyone who wishes to get by without a car can do so just as easily anywhere else in Freiburg; or any other city as well served by public transport.
    I see, I thought it was more car free than I heard about.
    However, on wikipedia, they mention aswel the Riesefeld district with around 10 000 inhabitants too.

    Anyway, right below, a list of car-light, car-free places in partial parts of cities:
    List of car-free places - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Freiburg has an extensive pedestrian zone in the city centre where no motor cars are allowed.
    Many cities have that ... Brisbane does, Adelaide does, Hobart does, lots of European cities do ...


    Photos of Adelaide's Rundle Mall ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulevardi View Post
    Anyway, right below, a list of car-light, car-free places in partial parts of cities:
    List of car-free places - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    As I've mentioned before in another thread on this matter ... if that list is going to include Rundle Mall in Adelaide, why isn't Elizabeth St in Hobart on the list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    As I've mentioned before in another thread on this matter ... if that list is going to include Rundle Mall in Adelaide, why isn't Elizabeth St in Hobart on the list?
    It's Wikipedia. Update the article.
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    Here in Brussels, our new mayor wants the center more car-free.

    The green roads are already car free.
    The red roads will be car free in the future, hopefully the next 2 years.
    The blue roads will be a car loop where cars will get stuck in traffic:


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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    AFAIK, every German city of any size has a pedestrian only (Fußgängerzone) shopping area usually in the center of town. NL too. Well worth visiting, much better and more educational than dreaming and fantasizing about it.
    We used to have downtown pedestrian malls in the US also. Most were removed because merchants thought business would be better if there was parking near their shops and restaurants. So much for that dream.

    Carfree.com has an article about Freiburg with some nice photos.

    http://carfree.com/papers/freiburg.pdf
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