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If we all keep giving in to government stupidity that is all we'll ever get. This is a matter of personal integrity and reputation. Nobody should let any government agency impugn them. This is a slippery slope to slave status for all of us. By fighting this and winning it will make them think twice about doing this to another family.
You need to bring up the annual National Walk or Bike To Work Days. If the federal government promotes such a thing they why should any government agency tell people to not do it. What about the Presidents Council On Fitness, Sports, & Nutrition? Bring that up.
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You need to bring up the annual National Walk or Bike To Work Days. If the federal government promotes such a thing they why should any government agency tell people to not do it. What about the Presidents Council On Fitness, Sports, & Nutrition? Bring that up.
Fitness - President's Council on Fitness, Sports & Nutrition - President's Council on Fitness, Sports & Nutrition
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/keys...difference.pdf
Fight them and kick their butts!
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Response time for EMT is 60 minutes? That's very surprising, for any region besides Alaska. A town that would allow that to happen is not a town I would want to live in! I guess a residence would have to be well over 50 miles from the nearest town/hospital/volunteer fire department to have a one-hour response time.
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If we all keep giving in to government stupidity that is all we'll ever get. This is a matter of personal integrity and reputation. Nobody should let any government agency impugn them. This is a slippery slope to slave status for all of us. By fighting this and winning it will make them think twice about doing this to another family.
You need to bring up the annual National Walk or Bike To Work Days. If the federal government promotes such a thing they why should any government agency tell people to not do it. What about the Presidents Council On Fitness, Sports, & Nutrition? Bring that up.
Fitness - President's Council on Fitness, Sports & Nutrition - President's Council on Fitness, Sports & Nutrition
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/keys...difference.pdf
Fight them and kick their butts!
You need to bring up the annual National Walk or Bike To Work Days. If the federal government promotes such a thing they why should any government agency tell people to not do it. What about the Presidents Council On Fitness, Sports, & Nutrition? Bring that up.
Fitness - President's Council on Fitness, Sports & Nutrition - President's Council on Fitness, Sports & Nutrition
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/keys...difference.pdf
Fight them and kick their butts!
A complaint -- whether malicious or not -- was made, and the investigation has to be made and judged on its merits. I can see both sides here. Mike needs to collect his information and build a sound defence or at least presentation after consulting with with his legal representative.
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Response time for EMT is 60 minutes? That's very surprising, for any region besides Alaska. A town that would allow that to happen is not a town I would want to live in! I guess a residence would have to be well over 50 miles from the nearest town/hospital/volunteer fire department to have a one-hour response time.
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Response time for EMT is 60 minutes? That's very surprising, for any region besides Alaska. A town that would allow that to happen is not a town I would want to live in! I guess a residence would have to be well over 50 miles from the nearest town/hospital/volunteer fire department to have a one-hour response time.
A few years ago while traveling through Wyoming I stopped at photo pull-off near Devil's Tower and a minivan with folks from the Chicago metro area pulled up next to me with a flat. I offered to help change the tire, but the driver declined stating he called AAA and they'd be there in 20 minutes. I asked him if he was sure (the last gas station I'd passed was over 45 minutes away at highway speeds) they didn't mean they would call back in 20 minutes with an estimated arrival time. He was adamant someone would be arrive in 20 minutes. I hang out taking some photos and sure enough...20 minutes later his cell phone rings and it's road side assistance telling him a tow truck will arrive in about two hours. He proceeds to explode over the phone at the poor AAA rep, then hangs up and goes off on a tirade about what would happen if someone had a true emergency. He refused my second offer to help change the tire; instead he wanted to wait the 2hrs so he could give the poor tow truck driver a piece of his mind.
I don't think self reliance was one of his strengths.
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Cut me some slack. It's upstate NY, not the small portion of the state that actually has people in it. Let's give it honorary flyover status along with wesern PA. After all, who goes to those places on purpose (says the guy who lives in a west coast flyover)?
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CDC - Child Passenger Safety Fact Sheet - Motor Vehicle Safety - Injury Center
That should be enough said, but of course I'll add more.
With an epidemic of obesity-related diseases now rampant among our youth, almost all of them caused by living a sedentary lifestyle, it should be clear to even the most obtuse person that it is the act of transporting children in cars that is child abuse. Those parents who choose to make and teach healthy lifestyle choices should receive medals. Sadly, we wouldn't have to use up much metal to make these medals.
By the way, just which flyover state are you in?
That should be enough said, but of course I'll add more.
With an epidemic of obesity-related diseases now rampant among our youth, almost all of them caused by living a sedentary lifestyle, it should be clear to even the most obtuse person that it is the act of transporting children in cars that is child abuse. Those parents who choose to make and teach healthy lifestyle choices should receive medals. Sadly, we wouldn't have to use up much metal to make these medals.
By the way, just which flyover state are you in?
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Response time for EMT is 60 minutes? That's very surprising, for any region besides Alaska. A town that would allow that to happen is not a town I would want to live in! I guess a residence would have to be well over 50 miles from the nearest town/hospital/volunteer fire department to have a one-hour response time.
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Response time for EMT is 60 minutes? That's very surprising, for any region besides Alaska. A town that would allow that to happen is not a town I would want to live in! I guess a residence would have to be well over 50 miles from the nearest town/hospital/volunteer fire department to have a one-hour response time.
Still, it doesn't mean that I agree with government strong-arm tactics. I don't agree with most of what our government seems to do these days, anyway.
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How far do you think that specious argument would get the OP when explaining to the caseworker/judge/or any other decision maker on this child welfare issue why the OP doesn't have any credible plan in place to deal with transporting the child in an emergency? Better yet, what do you think will be the result if the OP tries that argument with the military child development, family advocacy people at the local military base as suggested by another poster? Or with any child welfare agency anywhere, flyover country or not?
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I'd also note that one of the most likely situations for a child to be in a life-threatening accident in families that do have a car is that they are in a serious car crash and are now also without a working car to transport the child.
But I agree that to satisfy the CPS folks it would be good to have a clear plan that might include a set of phone numbers of friends, neighbors, co-workers who have agreed to provide transport in the unlikely event of such an emergency. I can't really imagine that a neighbor would refuse to help transport a critically wounded or ill child to the nearest hospital if the situation arose. But having the pre-planned list might convince the CPS worker to quickly close the case.
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Contact the office of your elected representative in state government. Doesn't matter what party they are affiliated with, these folks are always looking for a cause like this to get behind.
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How far do you think that specious argument would get the OP when explaining to the caseworker/judge/or any other decision maker on this child welfare issue why the OP doesn't have any credible plan in place to deal with transporting the child in an emergency? Better yet, what do you think will be the result if the OP tries that argument with the military child development, family advocacy people at the local military base as suggested by another poster? Or with any child welfare agency anywhere, flyover country or not?
If I was really unfit to be a parent because of my transportation choices, why hasn't CPS taken her out of my care or expedited a court date yet?
To show how much I care for her I'm willing to return to a car. I just don't appreciate being forced to do things.
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I wouldn't let these people force you into car. Put the insurance money you aren't spending into a college savings plan and see what the judge has to say about it.
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What does the mother of the child have to say about any of this?
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Though that might sound like a great sacrifice and very noble to some of LCF crowd, don't expect any crocodile tears, sympathy or admiratio from anyone more interested in the welfare of the child than your stand against "The Man."
What does the mother of the child have to say about any of this?
What does the mother of the child have to say about any of this?
But why the hell do they have no rapid response medical care in this community? In my state we have volunteer fire departments that have the training and equipment to deal with medical emergencies. Not only can they transfer to the hospital much faster and safer with lights and siren, they can provide advanced treatment en route while communicating with an emergency physician.
Truthfully, if you have to drive somebody for 60 minutes to get them to a hospital ED, you might as well take them on a bike. They're probably going to die either way!
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Because I'll ruin my suit trying to get to any relatives funerals...it's over 50 miles in some instances.
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I agree the child's welfare should be first and foremost. I believe the OP already said the mother was aware and OK with it.
But why the hell do they have no rapid response medical care in this community? In my state we have volunteer fire departments that have the training and equipment to deal with medical emergencies. Not only can they transfer to the hospital much faster and safer with lights and siren, they can provide advanced treatment en route while communicating with an emergency physician.
Truthfully, if you have to drive somebody for 60 minutes to get them to a hospital ED, you might as well take them on a bike. They're probably going to die either way!
But why the hell do they have no rapid response medical care in this community? In my state we have volunteer fire departments that have the training and equipment to deal with medical emergencies. Not only can they transfer to the hospital much faster and safer with lights and siren, they can provide advanced treatment en route while communicating with an emergency physician.
Truthfully, if you have to drive somebody for 60 minutes to get them to a hospital ED, you might as well take them on a bike. They're probably going to die either way!
One area I lived in the local hospital was 35-40 miles away but they had placed ambulances in a couple of the VFD's and had cross trained some of the local volunteers to drive, and had medical personnel that lived nearby that could respond.
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Take a CPR and first aid class together with your step daughter.
i'm curious, if the community is that worried about the time for emergency services for their children, and any kind of emergency care is truly that far away, then they MUST have an ambulance parked at the school then right?
I wonder how a person would drive their car while performing CPR.......
i'm curious, if the community is that worried about the time for emergency services for their children, and any kind of emergency care is truly that far away, then they MUST have an ambulance parked at the school then right?
I wonder how a person would drive their car while performing CPR.......
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Though that might sound like a great sacrifice and very noble to some of LCF crowd, don't expect any crocodile tears, sympathy or admiratio from anyone more interested in the welfare of the child than your stand against "The Man."
What does the mother of the child have to say about any of this?
What does the mother of the child have to say about any of this?
I agree the child's welfare should be first and foremost. I believe the OP already said the mother was aware and OK with it.
But why the hell do they have no rapid response medical care in this community? In my state we have volunteer fire departments that have the training and equipment to deal with medical emergencies. Not only can they transfer to the hospital much faster and safer with lights and siren, they can provide advanced treatment en route while communicating with an emergency physician.
Truthfully, if you have to drive somebody for 60 minutes to get them to a hospital ED, you might as well take them on a bike. They're probably going to die either way!
But why the hell do they have no rapid response medical care in this community? In my state we have volunteer fire departments that have the training and equipment to deal with medical emergencies. Not only can they transfer to the hospital much faster and safer with lights and siren, they can provide advanced treatment en route while communicating with an emergency physician.
Truthfully, if you have to drive somebody for 60 minutes to get them to a hospital ED, you might as well take them on a bike. They're probably going to die either way!
We have trained medics in our VFD but the ambulances come from the hospital 45 miles away, whether they have remote locations to sit at to wait for calls I don't know as I've never seen one. Like I said a few posts back, the 60 minute response time was what a neighbor told me about when I first moved here, I never had an emergency where I needed to call 911 to see how long it would take them to show up.
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I'd just like to point out that I have broke down and decided to buy a car, it'll be used mostly for business purposes but also available to cart the kid around when the bikes aren't an option. Nothing fancy but it gets decent fuel mileage, is physically and mechanically sound, and only has 50k on it. Not bad for $3500 after taxes and fees.
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Though that might sound like a great sacrifice and very noble to some of LCF crowd, don't expect any crocodile tears, sympathy or admiratio from anyone more interested in the welfare of the child than your stand against "The Man."
What does the mother of the child have to say about any of this?
What does the mother of the child have to say about any of this?
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Well I'm thoroughly confused
what happened here?
what happened here?
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Using this great invention called the internet, I involve her in everything that goes on with her child. Before she was deployed she was car light, she knew I was going to sell my car eventually and supported me raising the kid as a car free parent
The child's welfare is my number one priority.
We have trained medics in our VFD but the ambulances come from the hospital 45 miles away, whether they have remote locations to sit at to wait for calls I don't know as I've never seen one. Like I said a few posts back, the 60 minute response time was what a neighbor told me about when I first moved here, I never had an emergency where I needed to call 911 to see how long it would take them to show up.
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I'd just like to point out that I have broke down and decided to buy a car, it'll be used mostly for business purposes but also available to cart the kid around when the bikes aren't an option. Nothing fancy but it gets decent fuel mileage, is physically and mechanically sound, and only has 50k on it. Not bad for $3500 after taxes and fees.
The child's welfare is my number one priority.
We have trained medics in our VFD but the ambulances come from the hospital 45 miles away, whether they have remote locations to sit at to wait for calls I don't know as I've never seen one. Like I said a few posts back, the 60 minute response time was what a neighbor told me about when I first moved here, I never had an emergency where I needed to call 911 to see how long it would take them to show up.
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I'd just like to point out that I have broke down and decided to buy a car, it'll be used mostly for business purposes but also available to cart the kid around when the bikes aren't an option. Nothing fancy but it gets decent fuel mileage, is physically and mechanically sound, and only has 50k on it. Not bad for $3500 after taxes and fees.
This whole thread--I don't know--a few of the details don't quite add up.
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Whatever happened to the world? As a kid I rode my bike with no brakes (parents didn't know that bit!) unsupervised everywhere. Now you can be targeted by child services for simply riding a bike with your kid?