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Old 08-12-14, 12:23 AM   #1
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Still think on-demand car share is a good concept?

I know the topic of car share programs like Uber and others like it have been talked about as a potential tool for those that are LCF or possibly considering making that transition. I personally didn't like the concept myself due to the fact that it was geared towards those that have smartphones (which I don't have), the data for the phone (which I don't want) and willing to ride with a complete stranger in a vehicle of unknown operational condition.

Flip side to that is there are those that will use those programs to generate revenue for themselves. I know that Uber has been running ads on Facebook recruiting drivers for Tulsa and stating that the potential earnings are up to $50k a year Sounds enticing doesn't it? Here's the catch- the fuel, time, and wear and tear between fares isn't covered by the company, so there is potential to lose money as well if a customer cancels before the driver shows up.

It seems that one company is accusing another of tying up it's drivers on bogus calls- thus depriving its drivers of income and potentially luring customers (and drivers) away.

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New data provided by Lyft, a competitor, shows that Uber employees have ordered and canceled more than 5,000 Lyft rides since last October. The data was provided to CNNMoney per a request made when reporting another story on the competition between the two companies.
Uber-nasty? Staff submits 5,560 fake ride requests - Aug. 11, 2014
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Old 08-12-14, 01:07 AM   #2
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It's an interesting topic. The ride sharing thing is becoming a big dirty mess, that's for sure. There has even been violence in some countries.

One suggestion...we should call Uber and Lyft "ride sharing" services to distinguish them from "car sharing" services like Zipcar.
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Teething pains like any new startup...

I don't know what the outcome will be. I don't see myself using it anytime soon and don't happen to know anyone that does use it at this point.

Yes the cost of between rides is born by the car owner, but that is just like the pizza delivery joints all over the country.

From what I gather the original concept was "you own a car, and you are already in the area..."

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I very rarely use a car-sharing program called "Car to Go". It's an actual car-sharing program in that you have to drive the car yourself. It's very expensive -about $0.45 per minute- but if you only need a car for a short while for in-city use, it's actually pretty practical. In almost all cases, though, it's not really necessary to share any kind of car if you live in a city; distances are rarely more than 15 miles, which makes bicycles a good option, and public transportation is a lot cheaper than renting/sharing a car.
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Ride sharing is a good idea if used sparingly and in conjunction with more biking and walking. It would be a good complement to biking and transit-usage where those other modes are problematic. I don't think it will be such a good thing if people get lazy about taking a bus or cycling because it's easier to just call a cab.

Laziness and convenience are the big elephants in the room where transportation and infrastructure reform are concerned. Having your own personal motor-vehicle, covered and climate-controlled, is the ultimate in convenience and people simply take this level of convenience for granted as an entitlement. They can't wrap their heads around the notion that taking a bus or riding a bicycle can be quite convenient compared with walking or compared with each other.

So the bigger question is how ride-sharing will affect the way people look at and approach transit and cycling as alternatives to driving. Realistically, driving traffic on motor-ways needs to decrease quite a bit, not increase, so how will ride-sharing help this problem rather than making it worse?
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Old 08-13-14, 01:59 AM   #6
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Car sharing and ride sharing are two very different things, as has been pointed out. Car sharing is essentially rental by the hour, and requires you to drive the car yourself. Services like Uber, Lyft, and Sidecar are ride sharing, and they did start out as true sharing of a trip the driver was already making, although they seem to have morphed into taxi services with drivers cruising around picking up fares.

I've used car sharing numerous times and am a big fan of it. I drive rarely enough that there is no way owning a car would be worthwhile, but it's a nice luxury to have access to one when it's needed. I'd like to see car sharing supplant private ownership of cars as the norm. (I wish it existed where I live now; I haven't driven in 5 years because it doesn't.)

I've used ride sharing (Sidecar) only once, when my boyfriend and I visited a museum and he was too unmotivated to walk the 1.5 miles back to the train station in the heat. I felt rather decadent! But the car was in much better condition than any taxi I've ever ridden in, and the driver was very good. Taxi drivers, on the other hand, really scare me.
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I very rarely use a car-sharing program called "Car to Go". It's an actual car-sharing program in that you have to drive the car yourself. It's very expensive -about $0.45 per minute- ....
That is expensive! Zipcar charges less than half as much.
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