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    Best Start Time for a 300K Permanent

    I was thinking that midnight would be a good start time for a 300K permanent during the summer months to avoid higher temperatures at the start and hopefully be more awake, alert, and energetic during the mid-to-late portion of the ride. Any opinions?
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    Even if you are super fast, a Midnight start will still put you into the heat. Most riders take 14-18 hours to do a 300K and very few Randos do them in under 13 hours.

    If time is not a considation, how bout a 4 am start and ride until midday. Take a long break and when it cools down, resume riding finishing just after dark. Another alternative is starting the ride at 7 pm and riding thru the night to finihs before it gets hot.

    I recently did a 400K in 98F temps and the last part of the ride was a crawl and just really hard for me. If there was a place to stop and rest in a cool envirnment, I would or should have taken the respite.

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    if that's the main concern, 8pm is probably a great time to start. However, by August, a high of 100 will be fine for most of us. For whatever reason, people don't seem to be acclimated to the heat until late July. Last year, we got very little heat all summer, so it was an issue. During Endless Mountains, I was riding from ice supply to ice supply

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    I'd go for an evening start. Midnight and I'd be groggy from the word go, and still not be able to avoid the heat of the day.

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    our average high in the summer here in central PA are right around 80F, maybe a little higher along the Susquehanna. I think that's fine for doing a 300k during the day. You can always scrub if a heat wave is predicted. I like riding in daylight if possible. Most of us can do a 300k in daylight if we start a little before dawn. Really depends on the course. The problem we have here is that there are no stores open late at night, so you would have to do it fully unsupported with info controls. Although a store every 60 miles is probably good enough, and there are some out there.
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    I really enjoy starting out in complete darkness and watching daybreak work its magic, and (depending on the route) I dislike getting involved in evening rush hour traffic. So I like to start out 4AM or so. I often have trouble sleeping before a long ride, my mind going over the preparations again and again, so if I find myself lying in bed and not sleeping, I'll hit the road earlier.

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    I've done a couple of races where I planned how I was going to get lots of sleep right before starting, and it just wouldn't happen- get too busy or lie down and you're wide awake. With that in mind, i'd start at dawn to optimize use of daylight.

    You're more likely to get people to ride with you if you start at a reasonable hour.
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    Appreciate the thoughtful input! I would like to maximize the use of daylight and minimize the amount of riding done in darkness at the end of the event when I am dragging. Complete avoidance of the heat of the day is likely impractical at this distance. I think a 4 AM (pre-dawn) start would be preferable than my initial proposal of a midnight start.
    Thanks for preventing me from trying something stupid!
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    that's the sort of stupid thing that isn't too bad, although I'm not sure about sleep. Starting in the evening is done in some places, probably because it helps practice for PBP. 90 hour riders in PBP start in the evening and it works ok

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