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Old 03-20-17, 11:14 PM   #1
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What do you think of this bike as a first venture into 650b brevet bike?

https://www.rei.com/product/108760/d...rbon-bike-2017

27.5" wheels (same as 650b?)

Carbon Frame

9 speed, dura ace bar end shifters, triple chainrings 48/36/26 and 11-34 cassette

Most importantly: sold by REI.
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I currently ride 700x23 on a race-type bike and want to try out 650b; want to try out bar-end shifters; want to try out a triple crankset. I'm also going to use this bike to try out a mid-arch cleat position on SPD shoes (currently on speedplays).

The beauty of buying from REI is that they have a 1 year return policy. So I can try it out put 5,000 miles on it with nothing to lose. If I decide I like the 650b tires but find that this particular bike doesn't work for me, it will have served it's purpose and I can get my money back. I can always change out the cassette, tires, and chainrings on this bike to something more suitable for riding brevets.

1. Thoughts?

2. Is 27.5" functionally the same as 650b, i.e. can I get a wheel that takes whatever is the most popular rando tire?

3. This versus the St. Toussaint Velo Routier ?
https://www.cyclestoussaint.com/prod...outier-bicycle

That would be my first choice except that they do not have a 1 year return policy.

thanks.
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I don't think you "try out" a bike for 5,000 miles. I think that's disingenuous and part of the reason the REI return policy has become more restrictive than in the past.
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https://www.rei.com/product/108760/d...rbon-bike-2017

27.5" wheels (same as 650b?)... Is 27.5" functionally the same as 650b, i.e. can I get a wheel that takes whatever is the most popular rando tire?
Yes, 650b and 27.5" are just different words for the same thing (also known as 26 x 1 1/2).
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I appreciate the conscientiousness about possibly abusing their return policy, I get it. After returns/refunds, I spend around $5,000 every year at REI, including buying things like pedals etc where I know that I'm paying 10% more than regular price anywhere else. Their business model succeeds because I end up buy everything from there, as it gives me peace of mind.
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I don't think you "try out" a bike for 5,000 miles. I think that's disingenuous and part of the reason the REI return policy has become more restrictive than in the past.
+ 1. And no the OP's post in no. 4 does not convince me that what the OP proposes to do is the right thing to do.
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650b isn't magic. The reason it's a popular size with brevet riders is that it allows 1.5"/38-42 mm tires but with an overall diameter close to 700x23.

The two bikes you listed share a wheel diameter, and that's about it.
The DB Haanjo seems like a very cool bike, and it seems like a good value.
But it's definitely aimed at the "adventure" end of the market, with disc brakes and clearance for 2" MTB tires.
It has high trail geometry, from 66 to 80 mm of trail depending on frame size. That's relatively standard for drop bar bikes.

The Velo Routier from Cycles Toussaint, in contrast, is designed as a classic French randonneur bicycle, with a steel frame and low trail geometry. It has rim brake centerpull calipers over 1.5" tires, and a quill headset.
It's definitely retro (and I love it).

What I'm trying to say is that riding one of these bikes will not give you a good indicator of what riding the other one may be like. The DB Haanjo is basically a monster cross bike, where the Velo Routier is a rando/tourer. The DB is designed for dirt, and the VR is designed for roads. There's a lot of crossover in their missions, but each takes a different tack to accomplish the mission.

For example, I have a bike that's relatively similar to each.
My Rivendell (650b-converted road bike) is similar to the Velo Routier, except my Riv still has its original medium-trail fork.
My Foundry Auger is full carbon and fits 700x38 tires. It would probably fit a 650 x 45 tire if I had the wheels to test it out.

My Riv is smooth, comfortable, predictable, and still pretty fast. But its steel frame and rando bag setup make it ~30 lbs. I can feel this difference when accelerating and climbing, but then it descends like a freight train.
My Foundry is light, fast, playful, but a bit more work to turn (takes more lean) because of the taller wheel. It's 23 pounds with fenders, bags, and dynamo system. It's a lot easier to climb, but it doesn't hold momentum like my Riv.
I use both bikes for riding on gravel and dirt paths. But the Riv is more comfortable on the road, where the Foundry is more oriented toward dirt. Different horses for different courses.



And I think your idea of returning a bike to REI after using it for 5k miles is super shady. I don't care how much you spend there or what their official policy is, it's a jerk thing to do.
If I was buying a bike from REI, I'd test ride it for the afternoon. If I wanted to test ride it longer than that, I'd rent it.
That's my opinion.
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Thanks Tim, that is super helpful, and I will probably go with St. Toussaint because of your post.

I appreciate the input regarding REI. My 5K miles statement was a bit of hyperbole, longest I've actually used their return policy is about 4 weeks when I bought a 2015 Caad10 105 road bike that turned out to be a bit too stiff for me, I ended up getting a 2015 Cannondale SuperSix Evo Hi Mod. Nevertheless, I will be more judicious in my future use REI's return policy given how strongly you all feel about it, I consider myself a fair and conscientious person, and I value your opinions.
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Thanks Tim, that is super helpful, and I will probably go with St. Toussaint because of your post.

I appreciate the input regarding REI. My 5K miles statement was a bit of hyperbole, longest I've actually used their return policy is about 4 weeks when I bought a 2015 Caad10 105 road bike that turned out to be a bit too stiff for me, I ended up getting a 2015 Cannondale SuperSix Evo Hi Mod. Nevertheless, I will be more judicious in my future use REI's return policy given how strongly you all feel about it, I consider myself a fair and conscientious person, and I value your opinions.
I've heard good things about the Velo Routier.

But I think the build is TOO retro for my own use; I don't like non-aero levers or downtube shifters. I'd go with aero brake levers (Tektro RRL) and bar-end shifters.
Also, I tried a 46/30 with 12-28 combo myself and didn't like it. The 46 to 30 gap felt huge.
So, I'd go with a frame-up build myself.
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Personally I'd pick the diamondback... I have a few vintage rides and I don't want to carry a large front bag so low-trail doesn't really interest me that much. I would also love being able to ride the compass 48mm 650B tires but I'm a larger rider so that's why I like the plump tires. It also has 3 water bottle braze-ons, and is tubeless ready if you wanted to try that out. I had a touring bike with the same gearing as the DB has it was more than capable for any kind of riding I did, I couldn't spin out 48x11 and found 26-34 to be low enough for climbing. The only thing I noticed about the DB is that the rear fender would need some sort of fanagaling since there isn't a brake bridge. Not a deal breaker in my books.
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Thanks Tim, that is super helpful, and I will probably go with St. Toussaint because of your post.
One of the super high mileage guys in my randonneuring club rides a Velo Routier. It's a good bike, although I think I read in another thread that the popular sizes are sold out and Cycles Toussaint has not been super responsive to requests for estimates of when they will have them back in stock, so it may not even be an option, but the Diamondback isn’t a randonneuring bike at all. I’d cross that off the list if you’re looking for a brevet bike.

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…Also, I tried a 46/30 with 12-28 combo myself and didn't like it. The 46 to 30 gap felt huge…
I use a 50/39/30 triple for randonneuring, but the guys I have ridden with using a 46/30 leave it in the big ring most of the time and only drop to the bailout ring for big hills. The 46 just gives up a little top-end that you don’t really need for randonneuring so you can just leave in in one ring most of the time.
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I rode my All-City Macho Man Disc for a SR series. It worked well. It's very similar to the Diamondback, except that it will only accept smaller tires. Never thought of doing a 650b conversion, that might go well. I think the Diamondback would work well for some people. It will take fenders and has some provisions for racks.
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