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    Presentation of Paris-Brest-Paris

    Hi all,
    The official presentation of PBP2007 by the Audax Club Parisien took place this afternoon in Paris. I took some notes for you guys, and here are the points which I think are the most interesting, and mostly the stuff that have changed from the last edition:
    - The total length is 1228 km. The route for the return is changed in some places compared to the 2003 edition.
    - The rules for the allowed bicycles have changed. Basically they changed it so that rollerblades could not enter, which was not the case before!
    - The 80h start is at 8pm on the 20th of august, the 90h start at 9:30pm and the 85h start at 5am on the 21st of august.
    - The controles will be done through a codebar on the route card.
    - The registration will take place between june 11th and july 14th and will be possible through the internet. There will also be an insurance for cancellation (if you're sick or whatever) if you want.
    - The lights have to be seen at 150 m from the back and 100 m from the front.
    - There will be no prologue this year.
    - Professional cycling team jerseys are forbidden.
    - There will be a car pacing at 25 km/h for the 14 km inside St Quentin
    - The maximum allowed average speed has been reduced from 30 km/h to 28 km/h.
    - The registration fee gives you among other things the official jersey, the meal on monday night and possibility of car parking for the duration of the ride.

    I will add a few pictures of the meeting later. If you have questions I can try to answer but otherwise if you want more details you need to go to the official PBP website: www.paris-brest-paris.org

    There was also the results of all the events organized by the Audax Club Parisiens, which includes the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux (BRM) and Randonneurs 5000 (the president of Randonneurs Mondiaux was here, too). More than 16,000 BRM have been ridden this year. The US have the highest number of BRM participations (a total of 3901 cyclists rode Brevets), followed by France (2215), Japan (1439), Australia (1302), Canada (1014), Italy (1001) and the UK (863). More than 4.6 billion kilometers were ridden in Brevets in 2006! The latests countries that organize brevets are Singapore, Jamaica, Hungary and China.
    As for the Randonneurs 5000, 43 cyclists got it this year, including 16 from US, 10 from France, 6 from Canada, 3 from Spain and 3 from the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claire
    - The maximum allowed average speed has been reduced from 30 km/h to 28 km/h.
    Can someone explain the reasoning behind this rule? Is this just to keep it from becoming a race?

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    It could be just to reduce the opening times of controls and help the logistic side of things, not sure??

    What speed did the Vedettes finish last time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbdean
    Can someone explain the reasoning behind this rule? Is this just to keep it from becoming a race?
    As far as I know, the max speed rule only applies to the 90 and 84 hour starts, anyway. The 80 hour folks can go as fast as they want. For us slowpokes, reducing the speed that the opening and closing times are calculated on means having a little more time to get to the half way point. Normally we would have 40 hours to get to Brest and 50 hours to get back. Changing the speed means that we wil have 43 hours or so to get to Brest and 47 to get back.

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    I think the average limit lowering is mostly to prevent it to become a race, and to avoid the problems of the last edition where the first few guys beat the record and were penalized for multiple infractions later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcello
    As far as I know, the max speed rule only applies to the 90 and 84 hour starts, anyway. The 80 hour folks can go as fast as they want. For us slowpokes, reducing the speed that the opening and closing times are calculated on means having a little more time to get to the half way point. Normally we would have 40 hours to get to Brest and 50 hours to get back. Changing the speed means that we wil have 43 hours or so to get to Brest and 47 to get back.
    Marcello, I'm sorry, but I don't understand your reasoning here. The maximum speed reduction doesn't affect the cut-off times... unless the 15km/h and 11-12km/h minimums have been changed. I think you will still have to do under 40 hours to make the distance to Brest, and then have 50 hours to make the return journey to St Quentin.

    As to the adjustment of the maximum speeds, I can imagine this was on the table as soon as the penalties were applied to the front runners and the protests started flowing officially and unofficially after 2003. I am sure ACP would want to prevent a recurrence of the bad will that was generated by riders out of that. It's a good move in my opinion -- it will mean checkpoints will be open at a later time, and if the front runners arrive beforehand, then they'll just have to wait and be patient. It will, hopefully, take away some of the high-speed competitive aspect that has permeated the event and randonneuring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan
    As to the adjustment of the maximum speeds, I can imagine this was on the table as soon as the penalties were applied to the front runners and the protests started flowing officially and unofficially after 2003. I am sure ACP would want to prevent a recurrence of the bad will that was generated by riders out of that. It's a good move in my opinion -- it will mean checkpoints will be open at a later time, and if the front runners arrive beforehand, then they'll just have to wait and be patient. It will, hopefully, take away some of the high-speed competitive aspect that has permeated the event and randonneuring.
    According to the PBP web site, the 80 hour front runners still have no maximum speed limits.

    The rumor I heard from a reliable source a few months ago was that both maximum and minimum speeds would be changed for the "out" portion because of the long delays at many controls in 2003. My understanding is that min speed is half of the max speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claire
    There was also the results of all the events organized by the Audax Club Parisiens, which includes the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux (BRM) and Randonneurs 5000 (the president of Randonneurs Mondiaux was here, too). More than 16,000 BRM have been ridden this year. The US have the highest number of BRM participations (a total of 3901 cyclists rode Brevets), followed by France (2215), Japan (1439), Australia (1302), Canada (1014), Italy (1001) and the UK (863). More than 4.6 billion kilometers were ridden in Brevets in 2006! The latests countries that organize brevets are Singapore, Jamaica, Hungary and China.
    Japan sure is seeing a significant growth in the randonneuring activity. I hope that they get to the point where they organize a 1200k randonnee. It would be the first one in Asia.

    It is nice to see Singapore on the list of countries organizing brevets. I wonder if they were able to do the 200k all on Singapore without crossing into Malaysia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcello
    According to the PBP web site, the 80 hour front runners still have no maximum speed limits.

    The rumor I heard from a reliable source a few months ago was that both maximum and minimum speeds would be changed for the "out" portion because of the long delays at many controls in 2003. My understanding is that min speed is half of the max speed.
    There evidently is no indication in claire's report or the translations so far of the rules. It would also go against the most basic tenet of ACP and LRM events...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan
    There evidently is no indication in claire's report or the translations so far of the rules. It would also go against the most basic tenet of ACP and LRM events...
    I stand corrected. Not that lowering the max speed makes any difference for me. In any ride longer than a 400k I am usually much more interested in the min speed and the control closing time.

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    As promised, the pictures of the presentation are here: http://www.aglagla.com/pbp
    You just need to be able to speak french...

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    PBP official brochures released

    BTW, the brochures handed over yesterday by ACP are now available for download (in english also) on the PBP official website. Quite massive downloads, but worth every bit of it

    http://www.paris-brest-paris.org/EN/...hp?showpage=21

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    Quote Originally Posted by claire
    - The maximum allowed average speed has been reduced from 30 km/h to 28 km/h.
    The average speed is a global average speed and not an average speed between each check point.
    For a 1200km brevet, that means 42h51. The "chartre d'organisation" of the FFCT doesn't forbid to ride faster...
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    JG Faburel, are you associated with FFCT and ACP? If you are, it's a privilege to have you subscribe and contribute to this forum. In fact, it's a privilege to have you (along with claire) on board as a French person. Welcome.
    Dream. Dare. Do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan
    JG Faburel, are you associated with FFCT and ACP? If you are, it's a privilege to have you subscribe and contribute to this forum. In fact, it's a privilege to have you (along with claire) on board as a French person. Welcome.
    yes I am. And that's my pleasure to be with you here.
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