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Old 04-30-07, 08:29 AM   #1
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pumps that don't suck

k, so i got taken down 65 mi into a 320 mi race this weekend by a topeak mini morph pump that couldn't get me up to pressure and thus resulted in pinch flats, again, and again, and again.

so...

what pumps don't suck?

requirements:
1. Gets up to 120psi
2. presta valve
3. I have a pump peg on my frame- so frame fit is ok.
4. I really hate frame pumps because usually they have no turning parts, so it's hold the pump on the valve with left hand and make in-n-out motions with right. i liked the morph pumps because they have the flip down foot lever and the turning pump head so it's slightly more, well, useful. Does anyone make a frame pump that does these extremely logical things?

thanks for any help you can offer. i'm rather distraught about all this.
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after being stranded this weekend, i don't think i'll ever buy a morph again.
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Oh well, good luck.
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I'd like to hear some non-Morph recommendations too, but for another reason - the national distributor here thinks that model line is junk (bizarre, considering the rave-up the models get here) and won't import it! I have a Crank Bros Power Pump Pro and while it's technically solid, I can't get past 80 psi with it, not with my muscles...
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k, so i got taken down 65 mi into a 320 mi race this weekend
Was it the trans-Iowa race?

I also use the road morph with gauge, so I can't really suggest a pump that is better than what you already have. But my suggestion would be to try to avoid pinch flats in the first place. Have you considered wider tires that will not require 120+ PSI? I am running Continental 4 Season 700x28 and they are just fine at 90-100 PSI. Good lights and fresh batteries also help you avoid potholes and obstacles at night, reducing the risk of pinch flats.
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what pumps don't suck? i'm rather distraught about all this.
I'd go with a CO2 inflator. Small, fast, easy, no fuss.
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after being stranded this weekend, i don't think i'll ever buy a morph again.
That's a shame. Was your pump defective or is that typical for a mini-morph? The road morph is very popular amongst Randonneurs. I used mine twice to inflate other rider's tires last weekend on a 600K brevet.
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Was it the trans-Iowa race?

I also use the road morph with gauge, so I can't really suggest a pump that is better than what you already have. But my suggestion would be to try to avoid pinch flats in the first place. Have you considered wider tires that will not require 120+ PSI? I am running Continental 4 Season 700x28 and they are just fine at 90-100 PSI. Good lights and fresh batteries also help you avoid potholes and obstacles at night, reducing the risk of pinch flats.
yeah, transiowa. *grumble*

i run 26 x 1.25 but every time i was over ~60psi the mini morph would start pushing itself off the valve and leaking. it was the combo of pothole-filled gravel and less-than-ideal pressure that flatted me.
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i run 26 x 1.25 but every time i was over ~60psi the mini morph would start pushing itself off the valve and leaking. it was the combo of pothole-filled gravel and less-than-ideal pressure that flatted me.
sounds like an issue with the pump head and a candidate for warranty service. One of my teammates on our recent fleche fixed his flat with a road morph. I don't think he was riding tires that needed 120psi, but he was certainly able to pump it beyond 60 without problems.

I use a Zefal frame pump, but it doesn't do the floor pump transform thing that the Topeak Morph is famous for. However, as a frame pump, it's been fine for getting my tires up to 80 psi (which is all that they need).
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ah... interesting. i didn't think it was a warranty issue.
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Road Morph.
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The only pump better is a full size floor pump.


Sounds like yours has an issue. Luckily Topeak is awesome about standing behind their products.

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Go to Topeak's web site, ( www.todson.com ) and put in a support request. They'll send you the parts needed to overhaul your pump. Took me 3 days to get the parts, free of charge. Takes about 3 minutes to install.

I have a Road Morph and a Mini Morph... either will easily take me to 90 psi (Operating pressure for my tires) and I've used my Road Morph twice for tires rated at 120 psi.

The only issues I've had were

1) Retaining nut fell off (The part you remove to switch from Presta-schrader)... They sent a replacement, as well as the full overhaul kit
2) The mini morph was extremely difficult to pump with when I got it, would heat up, and the o-ring on the inside came loose and got mangled. Turns out the lubricant inside the barrel of the pump had dried out while it was on the shelf in the store... a new o-ring (I had a spare from the kit to repair my road morph) and a small amount of silicone based grease, and the pump is excellent and hasn't caused me any problems at all
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Zefal HPX is The Standard Frame Pump. During a flat stop on a group ride, the question always is, "Who has a Zefal?" They're fast, they pump up to a sufficiently high pressure, and they never seem to break. OTOH, if you need to get more than about 100 lbs., you need a Blackburn Air Stik. They will take you to over 150, but it takes a while, so in that case, better to start with someone else's Zefal and switch to your Air Stik. I've been told that Road Morphs are good pumps, but I've never seen one deployed at a flat stop. Maybe they're just more trouble and people don't get them out.
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Bah. I've used my Road Morph more times than I can count. For both my own flats and other peoples. I've actually worn off all the lettering on the outside of the pump.
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Topeak Road Morph.

I've had mine for several years and have no trouble at all getting the pressure up to 100 psi or higher. In fact, I crashed 3 weeks ago and tore/pulled most the muscles in my left rotator cuff, and my left pec was almost pulled from my collarbone. I also have tricep tendonitis in my right arm. And yet ... 3 days after that crash, I had a flat and was able to pump my tire to 100 psi in no time at all.

In addition to that, I lost the retaining cap to my road morph in December. I contacted Topeak and they sent me a new one.

I too have worn off all the lettering on the outside of the pump!!
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yeah, transiowa. *grumble*

i run 26 x 1.25 but every time i was over ~60psi the mini morph would start pushing itself off the valve and leaking. it was the combo of pothole-filled gravel and less-than-ideal pressure that flatted me.

Wait a minute ... you were trying to pump 26 x 1.25s up to 120 psi??? Don't they only have a rating of about 60 psi?
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Road Morph. I haven't flatted for about 2400 miles, but the pump has seen decent use pumping up others' tires.
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pumps and tire volume

Zefal frame pump and......change to 32mm tires that only require 95 psi maximum. You can ride then with less pressure, if you are light and you'll be faster on rough chipseal, have less flats, gain a smoother ride and have less to worry about when it comes to filling them with air. Any decent full size frame pump will get you 100+ psi. Stop with the mini pumps and super skinny tires. The skinnies are for racers and racers have support cars and don't pump their own tires.
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Zefal frame pump and......change to 32mm tires that only require 95 psi maximum. You can ride then with less pressure, if you are light and you'll be faster on rough chipseal, have less flats, gain a smoother ride and have less to worry about when it comes to filling them with air. Any decent full size frame pump will get you 100+ psi. Stop with the mini pumps and super skinny tires. The skinnies are for racers and racers have support cars and don't pump their own tires.
I guess I must be a racer with 25s on my road bike and 28s on my commuter, even 28s on the touring bike at the moment (gonna be my backup bike for RAIN if the weather looks iffy)...but wait, I pump my own tires, with a Road Morph! Now I am confused...am I a racer, the Mother of all Freds, or just a guy who chooses equipment based on his own needs and experience?
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OP, as suggested, get a Road Morph. Not the mini version, the slightly larger one. I have had no problems using mine to get to 110+ PSI and have helped many a riding companion with it.
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Wait a minute ... you were trying to pump 26 x 1.25s up to 120 psi??? Don't they only have a rating of about 60 psi?
no, i needed ~80psi at that point... the tires say something like 45-85 on 'em but the potholes in the gravel demanded more than the minimum.

i have several bikes, though, and i ain't looking to buy a different pump for each. my 700x23 commuter demands 120.

sounds like a road morph for me.
i sorta want the Zefal but they're quite hard to find right now- i guess they're redesigning 'em or something.
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no, i needed ~80psi at that point... the tires say something like 45-85 on 'em but the potholes in the gravel demanded more than the minimum.

i have several bikes, though, and i ain't looking to buy a different pump for each. my 700x23 commuter demands 120.

sounds like a road morph for me.
i sorta want the Zefal but they're quite hard to find right now- i guess they're redesigning 'em or something.
I have a Topeak frame pump on my group ride bike and it seems to perform as well as or better, than my old Zefal. I guess I like the looks of a full frame pump and don't trust minis. I do have a telescoping Blackburn on my recumbent and a simular, other brand, on a MTB that seems to work for the 80 psi tires on those bikes. When you need 120 psi a full frame pump seems easiest to pump up, at least for me.
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I guess I must be a racer with 25s on my road bike and 28s on my commuter, even 28s on the touring bike at the moment (gonna be my backup bike for RAIN if the weather looks iffy)...but wait, I pump my own tires, with a Road Morph! Now I am confused...am I a racer, the Mother of all Freds, or just a guy who chooses equipment based on his own needs and experience?
Yes, you are a racer ! I suppose I am on my soapbox again......theres certainly nothing wrong with 28mm tires I rode them for about a year but I had one blow out and went to 32mm tires, with about 90 psi. I have ridden them with 80 psi and no pinch flats. I am 260 so I got tired of flatting narrower tires and can't stand fixing flats on the side of the road, in the cold, when its raining.
I have a old short wheelbase race bike with 25 mm tires but I only ride it on smooth asphalt, since the chipseal rattles my fillings and vibrates my fat to new levels of oscillation!

I've found the speed difference to be very slight, going from a 25 to a 32 and I actually want to try some 37mm tires. On rough roads, I think I am actually faster with the wider tires and certainly more comfortable. As the miles add up, I can ride for longer if I don't get so much road buzz. I suppose if I lived in a less rainy climate and had more asphalt roads with clean shoulders I might ride a narrower tire more often but probably I would lace up the tubular rims, for the old race bike, if I could get it to fit my old body better.
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