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    Help ..first Double

    Hello, I'm 51 years young with a goal this year of riding my first double century. Over the last few years I've ridden many metric centuries as well as last year I rode 5 centuries, so now I'm ready to take on the next challenge...a double.. At this point I'm looking into the Longest Day, 208 miles in Jersey. Does anyone know of another doubles perhaps later in the year than June...I'd like more time to prepare. I am located in South Central Pa, so rides in Va, Md, Jersey, PA, NY and perhaps Delaware would work...any info would be greatly apperciated along with any Training tips!!

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    Hello Panalized! I'm working on the route as we speak as we heard there may be a bridge outage in Allentown, NJ scheduled around June 1. I've come up with 11 different routes but we haven't settled on one yet (though I am leaning towards one which doesn't cut out one of my favorite sections ). I don't know of other local 200 mile rides (this one is technically 208 though it may drop a half mile to a mile with my changes). The Longest Day is an easy double century (if you consider doubles easy :-). Other than the real hills (I'm a flat lander) in the first 50 it's relatively flat. My friend and Ex-CJBC President, Mike Krumer likes to say it's all down hill.

    BTW, I'll be leading training rides out of Cranbury, NJ and we'll be riding sections of the middle section of the ride. I don't know if that can help you. Sandy (the Co-Chair) put this together:

    http://somers515.googlepages.com/home

    I've put together a page about the Longest Day at:
    http://www.linuxha.com/athome/other/...ongestDay.html

    I hope to have a planner up soon that will help you plan out the speed and the stops. I'm having a little trouble with the time routines in Javascript. I created this thread:

    Central Jersey Bicycle Club's Longest Day ride 2008

    to share info with everyone and have it one place.

    BTW, the March 14th deadline is for the Jersey so you can receive it in time for the Longest Day not for the registration which is May 14th.

    Ask your questions and I'll try to help. I've done 6 Longest Days and this year will be #7. I've gotten pretty good at this.


    Tips:

    1) Work your way up to doing a century on Saturday followed by a metric the next day. You want both at the expected speed. You'd really like to do this with your team. If you're unable try to at least have everyone ridden with everyone on long rides such as centuries and more than once. This type of ride tests you physically, emotionally and mentally.
    2) Some other exercises do help. I find that push-ups help with the shoulders and arms which get beat up pretty good on a ride of this type.
    3) Experiment with foods on you long rides. You will not be happy drinking and/or eating the same thing all day long!
    4) Good shorts, good shoes, good gloves are essential. I haven't found any good gloves since Specialized stop making the pig shin gloves. Those I loved.
    5) To get in you miles and saddle time commute, Bike Forums ahs a great commuter's forum.

    Those are just a few quick things. I think I've listed a bunch of stuff on my LD page (above).

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    not a double--but at 187 miles, a good one-- the nightmare tour-- the circumfrence of Lancaster County, PA-- in August-- has a killer 1/3 of a mile hill at mile 108 or so that comes rreal close to 20 grade-- It is 19, then 'flattens' to around 13, then kicks up again...

    Great ride, and you get a free jersey with the regstration.
    http://www.dreamrideprojects.org/Nightmaretour.html

    Another thing you might try is a double metric-- and there is a good one over Memorial Day weekend-- Mountains of Misery in Virginia-- It lives up to its name


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    Hey, let's kill him (yet ). First get him addicted then try to kill him, he'll thank you for it later.

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    If you search the forums, you'll find some good training tips from Machka about this sort of thing.

    A double is a lot like a single, with the following exception:

    1) Good bike fit is more important
    2) Anti-chafing is more important. For me, it means the proper shorts with some chamois butt'r.
    3) Nutrition and hydration are especially important. There are things that you can get away with in a century that may come back and bite you on a double. Extra salt may be especially important if you don't eat a lot, and it's not something a lot of people think of.
    4) Remember that feeling you got at about 75 miles on your first century when you just wanted to get off the bike and walk away. You're going to get that on the double with 50 miles left, and if you're anything like me, it's going to be worse than the century feeling.
    5) Hills take more out of you, so ride up them easy.
    6) A nice paceline can make the first 100 go by pretty quickly.

    Basically, if you can take it easier, you can ride a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncherry View Post
    The Longest Day is an easy double century (if you consider doubles easy :-). Other than the real hills (I'm a flat lander) in the first 50 it's relatively flat. My friend and Ex-CJBC President, Mike Krumer likes to say it's all down hill.
    Ncherry, I was reading up on some of your links, this looks like a fun ride, and a good candidate for a first double.

    I had two questions. First, how do you get from Cape May back to your vehicle at the start point? If your answer is "Via your team SAG wagon" then that leads to my second question . . . there's a lot of encouragement to have a team, and each team is all but required to have a SAG vehicle. I am an unrepentant solo long distance rider. The physical advantages of pacelines are of course fantastic, but mentally, they sap me, the more so the longer the ride. I am comfortable with fending for myself and hauling what I need; and Lord knows, as a veteran of the Maryland Chapter's MS150 rides on the Eastern Shore, I am accustomed to slogging through hour upon hour upon hour of unrelenting headwinds, broiling shadeless heat, and drenching humidity. Can I sign up as a one-fer?

    (Now, if I were truly hard-core, I guess I would just ride my bike back to my car the next day! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxine View Post
    Ncherry, I was reading up on some of your links, this looks like a fun ride, and a good candidate for a first double.

    I had two questions. First, how do you get from Cape May back to your vehicle at the start point? If your answer is "Via your team SAG wagon" then that leads to my second question . . . there's a lot of encouragement to have a team, and each team is all but required to have a SAG vehicle.
    Actually that would be my answer, there is no mass transit from Cape May to Port Jervis (Mass Transit is usually from somewhere to NY or somewhere to Philadelphia. The teams are usually transported to the start and away from the finish.

    I am an unrepentant solo long distance rider. The physical advantages of pacelines are of course fantastic, but mentally, they sap me, the more so the longer the ride. I am comfortable with fending for myself and hauling what I need; and Lord knows, as a veteran of the Maryland Chapter's MS150 rides on the Eastern Shore, I am accustomed to slogging through hour upon hour upon hour of unrelenting headwinds, broiling shadeless heat, and drenching humidity. Can I sign up as a one-fer?
    You need a more chatty team (I never shut up )! Have you ever done a single day 200 mile ride? There are differences between a two day 150 and a single say 200+, though asking me may be the wrong person as I think nothing of doing a century (but not until I've worked up to one). I was just reading the nutrition thread for a century and I no longer give it much thought I just ride and eat what I want.

    Anyway, the club rules are with a team and a SAG. You'll have to ask the board for permission as I don't have authority to make such a decision. Of course you could sign up with a team and ride without them, not that I'm suggesting that. If you do go solo please let me know and I'll point out the stores along the way. There may be one check-in point midway and at the end, to look for lost riders but I'm not certain of that yet. One thing to note there are no official stops where you can get food and water this is why you have the SAG. It's important to note that once you get past the mid-point stores are a little light (few and far between). Also there are not a lot of places to stop and get help (a 35 mile section fits this description). This is my favorite section, sand, scrub pine and hardly anyone around. Despite what sounds like a liability it is a wonderful ride. Leaving early enough means riding the 'hills' with light traffic (first 50), then rolling hills with Saturday morning traffic (you can really get going nicely between Chatam and Bedminster). Then a gentle ride from Manville to Princeton with a nice place to do pace line along the canal. That's a nicely shaded section, then the ride into Allentown (usually a tail wind) though this year we may need to divert around a bridge closure. Then a very quiet section down and around Ft. Dix. Then into Lebanon/Wharton Forests (the 35 mile section). This is the Pine Barrens, my favorite part of the ride. Then a small town, more Pine Barrens, another small town, more Pine Barrens, a WaWa, the salt marshes of the Cape May area and more civilization and Cape May, then the lighthouse. That's the short version.
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