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So...I've got over 500 miles on my B17...and it still feels like I'm sitting on a brick. I'm using it on a Big Dummy, so weight isn't a concern. Thinking of dumping this B17 for a wider, sprung model if it exists. Any Brooks experts out there who might know of such a model?
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So...I've got over 500 miles on my B17...and it still feels like I'm sitting on a brick. I'm using it on a Big Dummy, so weight isn't a concern. Thinking of dumping this B17 for a wider, sprung model if it exists. Any Brooks experts out there who might know of such a model?
i have a sprung model on my bakfiets. i think they come in 2 versions - for the standard saddle clamp and for a post style saddle clamp.
check wallbike.com
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Hi folks,
I'm not intending to highjack this thread but I have some issues with a Brooks B-17 as well.
I bought it last spring and it took a while to break in. While I was breaking it in, I raised my handlebar height, lowered the seat, and felt pretty comfortable toward the end of the season. I'm pretty much a club and fitness rider, for the most part. Not a racer. 165#, in decent shape, etc.
Anyways, after other comfort issues, specifically ITB, I saw a respected fitter in my area and had my position refined a bit. A bit? Actually everything has changed. He lowered my handlebar, set it out further (slightly longer stem without rise), found my 'neutral' seat position and I changed from eggbeaters to Look Keo. Lot's of changes really.
The Brooks was and is very comfy on my sit bones (well, it ain't, and never will be a Laz-e-boy, but reasonable for 100 miles.) But now, I'm changing a bit from a more upright, handlebar level, pelvis-back position to a position more suitable to the drop position. Frankly, even with the previous higher-handlebar position, the Brooks B-17 causes quick issues with the 'taint and perineal soft tissue.
It seems Brooks is well aware of this to some degree with their anatomical test runs and all, but is there a solution I can try short of cutting the saddle to allow a more agreeable fit in the drop position?
From what I have gleaned, many touring cyclists love the Brooks saddles, and I doubt that type of cyclist spends much time in the drops but in a headwind or decent. Regardless, th discomfort I always have felt in the drops from the Brooks is concerning.
In short, in an upright position, the Brooks is agreeable. But, even in a shallow drop position, the brooks is interfering with soft tissue in pelvis-forward, more aero positions. The sit-bones Love the Brooks. The 'Taint hates it to the point I have to put it on the commuter.
This saddle has over 1500 miles on it, and is nicely broken in. Has my bone dimples, etc. I can't wear it in where the soft bits contact it.
I could use anecdotes and remedies if there are any.
I'm considering trying other products, but saddle shopping is why I bought the Brooks in the first place. I wanted to avoid the issue and get the best. My fear is that a new search might save the 'taint and suffer the 'sit... Which it seems would be preferable in the long term.
Thanks.
I'm not intending to highjack this thread but I have some issues with a Brooks B-17 as well.
I bought it last spring and it took a while to break in. While I was breaking it in, I raised my handlebar height, lowered the seat, and felt pretty comfortable toward the end of the season. I'm pretty much a club and fitness rider, for the most part. Not a racer. 165#, in decent shape, etc.
Anyways, after other comfort issues, specifically ITB, I saw a respected fitter in my area and had my position refined a bit. A bit? Actually everything has changed. He lowered my handlebar, set it out further (slightly longer stem without rise), found my 'neutral' seat position and I changed from eggbeaters to Look Keo. Lot's of changes really.
The Brooks was and is very comfy on my sit bones (well, it ain't, and never will be a Laz-e-boy, but reasonable for 100 miles.) But now, I'm changing a bit from a more upright, handlebar level, pelvis-back position to a position more suitable to the drop position. Frankly, even with the previous higher-handlebar position, the Brooks B-17 causes quick issues with the 'taint and perineal soft tissue.
It seems Brooks is well aware of this to some degree with their anatomical test runs and all, but is there a solution I can try short of cutting the saddle to allow a more agreeable fit in the drop position?
From what I have gleaned, many touring cyclists love the Brooks saddles, and I doubt that type of cyclist spends much time in the drops but in a headwind or decent. Regardless, th discomfort I always have felt in the drops from the Brooks is concerning.
In short, in an upright position, the Brooks is agreeable. But, even in a shallow drop position, the brooks is interfering with soft tissue in pelvis-forward, more aero positions. The sit-bones Love the Brooks. The 'Taint hates it to the point I have to put it on the commuter.
This saddle has over 1500 miles on it, and is nicely broken in. Has my bone dimples, etc. I can't wear it in where the soft bits contact it.
I could use anecdotes and remedies if there are any.
I'm considering trying other products, but saddle shopping is why I bought the Brooks in the first place. I wanted to avoid the issue and get the best. My fear is that a new search might save the 'taint and suffer the 'sit... Which it seems would be preferable in the long term.
Thanks.
i ride a b17 and a swallow. i switch back and forth between 2 bikes, depending on what / where i'm riding.
the swallow is great (narrow and longer) than a b17 on my ld bike with lower h-bar position.
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FWIW, my swift was comfortable out of the box. I went through a period of time when it was uncomfortable at around 500 miles on it. Then it got more comfortable and has been fine for several thousand miles since.
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Definitely the micro adjust seatpost helps a lot. I've got mine basically flat front to back, but a tiny change makes a big difference. Until it is pretty broken in I felt like I would fall forward if it was leaning too forward and it hurt if it was leaning too far back. I've got a Thomson on my bike now, but the truvativ on the MTB is micro adjust as well and seems to be holding up fine and is much cheaper.
Also, drilling holes in the skirt and lacing it underneath helped firm it up without having to touch the adjustment bolt.
Mine seemed to one day be nice and broken it. Seemed to get comfortable pretty quickly, then didn't change much for about a year, then got buttery smooth real quick. I was on my MTB a lot of that time, so it didn't see as much use, but I felt like there were distinct stages. Be patient.
Also, drilling holes in the skirt and lacing it underneath helped firm it up without having to touch the adjustment bolt.
Mine seemed to one day be nice and broken it. Seemed to get comfortable pretty quickly, then didn't change much for about a year, then got buttery smooth real quick. I was on my MTB a lot of that time, so it didn't see as much use, but I felt like there were distinct stages. Be patient.
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One of my major principles for operation in the world is that most people are not fools. So what do most people do for a saddle? Look in the catalogs. What is the percentage of hard, flat saddles there, of whatever material? Gotta be a reason for that. It's a free market. There's no conspiracy to offload garbage on the masses. Very few cyclists buy uncomfortable saddles on purpose.
So my recommendation is to start with the statistically most common saddle form seen in catalogs, and refine it from there.
So my recommendation is to start with the statistically most common saddle form seen in catalogs, and refine it from there.
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So...I've got over 500 miles on my B17...and it still feels like I'm sitting on a brick. I'm using it on a Big Dummy, so weight isn't a concern. Thinking of dumping this B17 for a wider, sprung model if it exists. Any Brooks experts out there who might know of such a model?
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. Didn't work. Not everyone has a Brooks butt. Not everyone has a padded saddle butt. Not everyone has a racer butt. We're all different, and that is ok.
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Brooks saddle
I have been using a Brooks B-17N on my commuter bike for about 10 days. I was disappointed to some degree when I first got it. I have a Toupe Team saddle from Specialized on my Cervelo RS. The Toupe Saddle is more comfortable. Yet, when I ride the Cervelo, I also wear expensive lycra shorts. Most of the time I wear my work clothes when I ride the commuter bike. I have mounted the Brooks saddle perfectly level. Several post indicate that maybe the Brooks saddle is more comfortable if you tilt the nose up just a little. I plan to give that a try. I selected the Brooks because of all the favorable reviews and because I want to use the Acorn bags which are designed especially for the Brooks saddles.
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10-26-08, 08:52 AM
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Wow, are they ever damned hard, when new.
I have a B-17, in black, and a micro adjustable seatpost. And, it took a lot of miles (over 1000), and a lot of adjusting (seatpost up, down, - nose up/down, - sliding back/front, - adjusting handlebar position, - and even adjusting handgrip angle(Ergon), to finally get it right.
I worked on one thing at a time, and finally got it perfect for me.
I ride a Specialized Crosstrail (old style-with more horizontal bar, and large frame-61cm), a hybrid, with flat bars. I am 6' tall, with a 33" inseam, and less than 1" standover.
I have Proofided the underside heavily once, and the top a couple times (not heavily.)
Once you get it right, any other move (no matter how small) is immediately uncomfortable.
I punched all of the lacing holes along the sides, but have not yet found it necessary to lace it.(sure looks nice, though.)
I really like the ability to slide around on the seat, but it's very easy to stay planted in one place.
It's now a gem, and I'd buy another in a heartbeat.
edit: the damned thing sure is still hard, but very comfortable. And, you can really feel the two soft/flexible spots, where my sit bones contact the seat. They really do break in!
I have a B-17, in black, and a micro adjustable seatpost. And, it took a lot of miles (over 1000), and a lot of adjusting (seatpost up, down, - nose up/down, - sliding back/front, - adjusting handlebar position, - and even adjusting handgrip angle(Ergon), to finally get it right.
I worked on one thing at a time, and finally got it perfect for me.
I ride a Specialized Crosstrail (old style-with more horizontal bar, and large frame-61cm), a hybrid, with flat bars. I am 6' tall, with a 33" inseam, and less than 1" standover.
I have Proofided the underside heavily once, and the top a couple times (not heavily.)
Once you get it right, any other move (no matter how small) is immediately uncomfortable.
I punched all of the lacing holes along the sides, but have not yet found it necessary to lace it.(sure looks nice, though.)
I really like the ability to slide around on the seat, but it's very easy to stay planted in one place.
It's now a gem, and I'd buy another in a heartbeat.
edit: the damned thing sure is still hard, but very comfortable. And, you can really feel the two soft/flexible spots, where my sit bones contact the seat. They really do break in!
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Has anyone used Dr Martens shoe balm on their Brooks?
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Here is my thoughts on this Brooks saddles they are not for everyone if you expect instant gratifacation you should go with a saddle that can give you that out of the box. If you choose Brooks precondition it
before you ride, use Proofide or other good leather conditioner take some time and give the leather a chance to rehydrate before you ride it. I bought my most recent B-17 in april and slathered it in proofide (top and bottom) everyday for a week before I put it on my bike, this cut down the break in period. Keep up on it after installation. Most of the new Brooks I see have been in the box a long time before they are sold (I work in a LBS) and are VERY dry. When the saddle breaks in to your specific shape you will own something that is customized to you and you alone and with care will last a life time. (the B-72 on my three speed is 50 years old and holding up very well).
before you ride, use Proofide or other good leather conditioner take some time and give the leather a chance to rehydrate before you ride it. I bought my most recent B-17 in april and slathered it in proofide (top and bottom) everyday for a week before I put it on my bike, this cut down the break in period. Keep up on it after installation. Most of the new Brooks I see have been in the box a long time before they are sold (I work in a LBS) and are VERY dry. When the saddle breaks in to your specific shape you will own something that is customized to you and you alone and with care will last a life time. (the B-72 on my three speed is 50 years old and holding up very well).
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I Too could really use some advice here. I love everything the brooks stands for, and how it looks. But my b-17 hurts like hell! I've got about 1500- 2000 miles on it now. The sit bone spots broke in when I moved it all the way forward. I have it tilted one notch up in front (from a flat position). I leave a pic here, Is it because my bars are too low for the brooks?
I want this to work so badly I've been riding in pain for months, soreness between the legs. The thing feels wonderful if I ride no-handed and upright, but I'm on the hoods most of the time and it hurts even more in the drops. After moving it all the way forward, more of the weight was on my sit bones, but I have to keep myself back on the seat or it starts really hurting again, directly in the middle between my two legs. (and I ride 30 miles a day)
I want this to work so badly I've been riding in pain for months, soreness between the legs. The thing feels wonderful if I ride no-handed and upright, but I'm on the hoods most of the time and it hurts even more in the drops. After moving it all the way forward, more of the weight was on my sit bones, but I have to keep myself back on the seat or it starts really hurting again, directly in the middle between my two legs. (and I ride 30 miles a day)
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I've also had to balance saddle height between too high (chafing) and too low (knee discomfort), and set the fore/aft carefully. If I need to scoot around too much to find the sweet spot, the saddle needs to come forward, again in very small increments. If this leads to thigh chafing, I'm too far forward.
Lately I've gotten a Pro, and a B-17N Imperial to work pretty well. I've also been trying to use my old Ideale 92 (still hard as a rock, but some resilience). It gives me some problems, but it is pretty wide (same dimensions as a B17), and the surface is not as smooth and "slidable" as that of the Brookses. It may also be too wide for me. I don't know how to set an equivalence between teh Specialized ratings and the physical width of the various Brooks, or even if such comparisons are valid. I do think my time on the Ideale is "hardening" my butt bones.
I'm planning to try a B17 Standard, despite the width.
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hey............ don't feel like you have to ride a Brooks just because others are singing its virtues. If it's not happening after 500 miles, chances are it's not going to happen.
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I Too could really use some advice here. I love everything the brooks stands for, and how it looks. But my b-17 hurts like hell! I've got about 1500- 2000 miles on it now. The sit bone spots broke in when I moved it all the way forward. I have it tilted one notch up in front (from a flat position). I leave a pic here, Is it because my bars are too low for the brooks?
I want this to work so badly I've been riding in pain for months, soreness between the legs. The thing feels wonderful if I ride no-handed and upright, but I'm on the hoods most of the time and it hurts even more in the drops. After moving it all the way forward, more of the weight was on my sit bones, but I have to keep myself back on the seat or it starts really hurting again, directly in the middle between my two legs. (and I ride 30 miles a day)
I want this to work so badly I've been riding in pain for months, soreness between the legs. The thing feels wonderful if I ride no-handed and upright, but I'm on the hoods most of the time and it hurts even more in the drops. After moving it all the way forward, more of the weight was on my sit bones, but I have to keep myself back on the seat or it starts really hurting again, directly in the middle between my two legs. (and I ride 30 miles a day)
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I am a recent Brooks convert and have the saddles on several bikes, all with bars 2-3 inches lower than the saddle. After a long ride, the one part of me that doesn't hurt is my butt.
Some thoughts (this works for me:
1) Saddle selection is highly personal.
2) With Brooks, give it the Sheldon Brown break in procedure. It works.
3) Micro adjust post.
4) Level saddle position. I can't ride with the nose pointed up.
Some thoughts (this works for me:
1) Saddle selection is highly personal.
2) With Brooks, give it the Sheldon Brown break in procedure. It works.
3) Micro adjust post.
4) Level saddle position. I can't ride with the nose pointed up.
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This one isn't very good, but you can see the lacing.
It might not work for everyone, but for me it made the Brooks comfortable. In fact, I did a metric century charity ride today and have no complaints about the saddle.
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You know what I did with mine.
1) I soaked it for 30 minutes in neatsfeat oil ala sheldon brown.
2) I rode the heck out of it (not all long runs either)
3) I rode it in the rain once
4) Just like I use to do with my baseball mit I sort of wiggle in it to help the break in process... Like I sit up right will all my weight on my ass and tilt back a forth a bit. Mine feels like a dream.. The unfortunate truth is that when you readjust the seat position, you have to mini break it in all over again with a few good rides.
1) I soaked it for 30 minutes in neatsfeat oil ala sheldon brown.
2) I rode the heck out of it (not all long runs either)
3) I rode it in the rain once
4) Just like I use to do with my baseball mit I sort of wiggle in it to help the break in process... Like I sit up right will all my weight on my ass and tilt back a forth a bit. Mine feels like a dream.. The unfortunate truth is that when you readjust the seat position, you have to mini break it in all over again with a few good rides.
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I rode a B-17 for several hundred miles and it just wasn't working for me; it was like riding on a baseball bat. Instead of giving up on it I sent it to Monarch McLaren and had them cut a Selle Anatomica slot in it (scroll down that page to "Brooks upgrade service"). I also punched holes in the skirt and laced it like a Brooks Imperial.
This one isn't very good, but you can see the lacing.
It might not work for everyone, but for me it made the Brooks comfortable. In fact, I did a metric century charity ride today and have no complaints about the saddle.
This one isn't very good, but you can see the lacing.
It might not work for everyone, but for me it made the Brooks comfortable. In fact, I did a metric century charity ride today and have no complaints about the saddle.
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Thanks everyone for the great advice. So after messing with it a bunch, I found out moving it as far forward as possible and and completely flat, it's much comfier. I slide a bit without the upward angle so I have to keep sliding back into position, but I couldn't handle the painful angle any more. Does anyone else experience having to move it so far forward?
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Brooks are incredible saddles... when they fit you. Brooks just aren't for everyone.
B17 - Felt great right out of the box. Never had an issue
Team Pro - ^ same as above even though the leather is much thicker and more stiff.
B17 - Felt great right out of the box. Never had an issue
Team Pro - ^ same as above even though the leather is much thicker and more stiff.
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As you put pressure on the top of the saddle the skirts tend to flare out at the bottom. This flaring is worse after the slot has been cut. The flaring causes the top to sag and feel very soft, like you're about to fall through the slot, and also causes the skirts to rub some on your legs. The lacing (which goes back and forth, from one side to the other around the seatpost) will stiffen the top and reduce the sagging, and eliminates the potential for the skirts to rub.
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So has anyone attempted the surgery?