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    Have you ever doubled up your riding shorts for extra padding for b to b centuries?

    Next weekend I'll be doing the Pan Mass Challenge. Basically two days of back to back centuries. I've been doing a lot of riding and for lack of a better description, my sitting bones are starting to bother me after 80 miles or so. This is a recent developement once I started getting into the high mileage on back to back training days. Mostly it's been an annoyance, but the last few rides it's been getting worse. I'm using a Specialized Avatar saddle that has been very comfortable, until recently that is. It's one of the few saddles I've tried that didn't make me numb.

    So my question is this. For a hot summer ride like this, would you consider doubling up on your bike shorts to get the extra padding? I'd be good for the first day, but am thinking of doing this on the second day. I wouldn't want to make any major changes to my bike now as I've been training with this exact setup for over 6 months.

    If you wouldn't double up, what would you consider doing other then taking a LOT of advil?
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    I know someone who did do that ... but personally, I've never needed to.

    If you have a bicycle that fits, and a good saddle, it is actually possible to do long rides with no padding in your shorts at all.

    With regard to "a good saddle" ... I have come across some saddles that were good to a certain distance and then not good at all after that. So you might consider trying a saddle that, essentially, lasts longer.

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    If you're having comfort issues, a different saddle will likely fix it. For me, Toupe will be okay for maybe 2 hours, Sella Italia Max Flite Gel Flo is good for 4 hours or so, and I can ride the Arione 8 hours with no discomfort.

    Getting a saddle that fits you perfect will eliminate the need for extra padded shorts. Buying a good, quality set of shorts will also go a long ways in keeping you comfortable.

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    I'm not sure that "double-shorting" will help much. If anything it might backfire if it produces more chafing and temperature.

    Unfortunately I don't think 1 week is enough time to find and break in a new saddle.

    One option is to get a suspension seatpost, maybe a Thudbuster set to minimal travel or a Thudbuster ST.

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    Another option might be to buy the padding that goes into the shorts. I did that when I set off on a 1000K on a relatively new, un-broken-in Brooks saddle. The padding that goes into shorts is available at various cycling places, and is cut to the shape of the padding that exists in shorts ... it is supposed to be for situations when padding wears out (which has never happened to me). But toward the end of that 1000K, I just tucked that padding into place, and it helped me to the end of the ride.

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    if i remember correctly there's a guy who posts to the randon or ultra list who swears by double shorts and vaseline. and swapping them mid ride, so the outer moves to the inner, while adding more goop.


    for me, a fresh pair makes more sense. but i've ridden centuries without bike shorts, and i'm comfortable up to about a double in cycling shorts. (with reapplication(s) of lantiseptic depending on the weather)


    i had luck with the specialized saddles up to about 60-80 miles. beyond that it was a no go.

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    I've found that thicker padding can create chafing, if that's an issue. Try it on a 75 mile ride! Just depends on your issue. I know a woman who wears 3 pair of shorts on double centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
    I've found that thicker padding can create chafing, if that's an issue. Try it on a 75 mile ride! Just depends on your issue. I know a woman who wears 3 pair of shorts on double centuries.
    +1 to that!

    I've got some friends who swear by Castelli's big ol' diaper of a pad, but I can't stand 'em. I don't go for the super-thin race padding, but something in between like the PI 3D-Pro works well up to 300k/200mi.
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    yeah, I'd also caution about chafing. Specifically, I found that when I was riding long distances in the winter, even having leg warmers that I'd pull up to my hips would cause chafing on the inside of my thighs, as the extra thickness would rub up against the inside of the saddle.

    rockrivr1 -- if it's not too delicate a questoin, could you be more specific about what part of your anatomy is actually aggravated on long rides? And what sort of aggravation it might be? Having the sitbones be a problem doesn't exactly sound right since they're built to hold your weight on a flat surface. Is the area between the sit bones or is it maybe the skin on the bones getting rubbed raw? Is it numbness or tingling from nerves getting pinched?

    If it's skin irritation, you might want to consider trying different shorts or using one of the many lubes/anti-irritant powders on the market? As others, some shorts tend have chamois that are more contoured to certain butts than others and it might be that yours just has one that tends to slack around your sit bones.

    If it's a nerve pinch issue, then it sounds more like a different saddle may be in order.

    (oh and enjoy the Pan Mass Challenge. I've never ridden it per se, but I've ridden a lot of sections of it in different rides over the years and it sounds like a fun time!)

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    I know someone who always wears two pairs on her longer rides. But, if you do, you might need to adjust your seat height for the extra thickness.

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    Thanks everyone for the advise. Spokenword, it's not to delicate of a question at all. It doesn't feel like numbness. I feel very comfortable in the saddle right up until I hit the 70-80 mile mark. I wear PI Slice or PRO bibbed shorts w/ Chamois Butter. When I get into the higher miles the sitting bone area start to throb some. The longer I stay sitting the more the throbbing gets. When this happens I tend to stand up out of the saddle during downhills to give them a rest. As soon as I stand up, the throbbing goes away. When I sit back down the throbbing isn't there, but after a few miles I feel it starting to come back. After I'm done riding those areas are sore and sensitive. Its starting to sound like it could be the saddle. It's to late at this point for me to change it with only a week left before the ride. Sounds like it's also not a great idea to double up either. Advil here I come!

    Spokenword, sounds like we ride a lot of the same area. I just finished up a 75 mile ride starting in Charlton and followed the PMC route through to the Attleboro area. Lot of nice countryside in that ride.
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    this also happened to me at around 80 miles, which is a real bummer if you have 50 more miles to go. I got some padded shorts and my problems are gone for the most part. I think I also toughened up. I also seemed to have some saddle misalignment which was contributing.

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    OK. You have the normal LD butt pain. This will get better as your butt gets used to the long rides. Try getting out of the saddle for 1 minute in every 10, by the clock, starting about 1/2 hr. after the ride start. This restores blood circulation. I've been told that sitting on a hard surface like a bike saddle compresses the flesh over the sit bones. This cuts off circulation in those tissues. But the body is a marvelous thing. That flesh can adapt to the reduced circulation, but it takes time. So your problem likely will get better with time, much better. My solution is a stopgap, until you can sit for longer. Although it's still a good idea on long climbs, to change the working muscle groups, get a change and give some a rest.

    This explanation seams reasonable, as it explains why we have to "break in" a new saddle, even when it's foam and plastic, and why people "break in" a Brooks, even though they may or may not get tiny dents where their sitbones go, and why the mileage to "break in" a saddle varies so much, from nothing to 1000 miles. Also why soft saddles are worse for LD: they compress more flesh, which then hurts over a wider area.

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