Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Long Distance Competition/Ultracycling, Randonneuring and Endurance Cycling Do you enjoy centuries, double centuries, brevets, randonnees, and 24-hour time trials? Share ride reports, and exchange training, equipment, and nutrition information specific to long distance cycling. This isn't for tours, this is for endurance events cycling

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-02-09, 01:22 PM   #1
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
Thread Starter
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,600
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Discretion the better part of valor?

A club I started riding with in September, is going to ride an informal century event on Sunday. The participants will maintain a pace-line and are seeking to ride the distance with one stop to refill bottles. The object is to finish the century as quickly as possible with an average speed above 20 mph.

I have done a century in less than 6 hours saddle time without a paceline. My normal solo fitness rides are about 40 miles long and I average 18 mph. Even with a pace-line, I doubt if I can maintain 22 mph for more than 10 miles.

It’s a 10 mile loop to be repeated. A shortcut exist, cutting the loop in two half’s. Riders that are dropped can rejoin the group by taking the shortcut.

Most, but not all, of this small group is younger & faster than me. Should I see if I can do this?

Michael
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
Barrettscv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-09, 01:42 PM   #2
USAZorro
SeŮor Member
 
USAZorro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Florence, KY
Bikes: 1954 Hetchins M.O., 1959 Viking Severn Valley, 1970 Raleigh Pro, 1972 Fuji "The Finest", 1974 Raleigh Superbe&Comp, 1976 Raleigh Team Pro, 1996 Giant Iguana, 2000 Bob Jackson Arrowhead
Posts: 14,475
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 41 Post(s)
What've you got to lose (besides your reputation possibly)?
__________________
In search of what to search for.
USAZorro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-09, 02:01 PM   #3
Mhendricks
Senior Member
 
Mhendricks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: San Jose, ca.
Bikes: 2006 Orbea Volata, 84 Trek 760, 83 Trek 720,
Posts: 1,326
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The only century rides that I do are:

-at my own pace
-have plenty of tasty food and drink
-have women who don't mind a man riding with them
-TURN OUT TO BE HAMMERFESTS/TESTOSTERONE RIDES

My philisophy is that I'm not getting any younger, I'm not a racer anymore, so why not enjoy the ride.
__________________
They call me "Mr. Mixte"

Last edited by Mhendricks; 10-02-09 at 02:05 PM.
Mhendricks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-09, 02:01 PM   #4
mattm
**** that
 
mattm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: CALI
Bikes:
Posts: 13,816
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 154 Post(s)
You might be surprised what you can do with a strong group - if they are much stronger than you, just sit on the back and/or take tiny pulls.

The worst that could happen is you'll get dropped and can add it as a goal for next year.
__________________
cat 1.

blog
mattm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-09, 03:39 PM   #5
johnknappcc
Senior Member
 
johnknappcc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Columbus, OH
Bikes: A beautiful columbus steel frame, 1986 Schwinn Voyageur touring bike, Currently Undergoing Overhaul
Posts: 910
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
A club I started riding with in September, is going to ride an informal century event on Sunday. The participants will maintain a pace-line and are seeking to ride the distance with one stop to refill bottles. The object is to finish the century as quickly as possible with an average speed above 20 mph.

I have done a century in less than 6 hours saddle time without a paceline. My normal solo fitness rides are about 40 miles long and I average 18 mph. Even with a pace-line, I doubt if I can maintain 22 mph for more than 10 miles.

Itís a 10 mile loop to be repeated. A shortcut exist, cutting the loop in two halfís. Riders that are dropped can rejoin the group by taking the shortcut.

Most, but not all, of this small group is younger & faster than me. Should I see if I can do this?

Michael
Holy, where's the loop? I could probably manage to get dropped, 20 times then. Not sure what the wife's plans are but I might be up for a good humiliation.
johnknappcc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-09, 03:44 PM   #6
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
Thread Starter
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,600
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnknappcc View Post
Holy, where's the loop? I could probably manage to get dropped, 20 times then. Not sure what the wife's plans are but I might be up for a good humiliation.
PM sent,

Michael
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
Barrettscv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-09, 04:46 PM   #7
CliftonGK1
Senior Member
 
CliftonGK1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Columbus, OH
Bikes: '08 Surly Cross-Check, 2011 Redline Conquest Pro, 2012 Spesh FSR Comp EVO, 2015 Trek Domane 6.2 disc
Posts: 11,380
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It's a 10mi loop course. It's not like you'll get stranded 40mi from your car/apartment/whatever if you blow up 3/4 of the way through and have to drop.
__________________
"I feel like my world was classier before I found cyclocross."
- Mandi M.
CliftonGK1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-09, 04:54 PM   #8
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
Thread Starter
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,600
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
It's a 10mi loop course. It's not like you'll get stranded 40mi from your car/apartment/whatever if you blow up 3/4 of the way through and have to drop.
Good point.

I think I'll give it a "might go down in flames" try.

Michael
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
Barrettscv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-09, 10:18 AM   #9
Hydrated
Reeks of aged cotton duck
 
Hydrated's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Middle Georgia, USA
Bikes: 2008 Kogswell PR mkII, 1976 Raleigh Professional, 1996 Serotta Atlanta, 1984 Trek 520, 1979 Raleigh Comp GS, 1995 Trek 950, 1979 Raleigh DL-1 Tourist
Posts: 1,175
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You can borrow my bike, Michael...

Hydrated is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-09, 11:57 AM   #10
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
Thread Starter
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,600
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)


I'd hate to draft that!

I'm the one that might flame out... ...we soon shall know.

Michael
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
Barrettscv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-09, 08:58 AM   #11
RFC
Senior Member
 
RFC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Bikes: many
Posts: 4,468
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Dan McGehee set his 100 mile WR of 3:56 on a 10 mile loop somewhere in Illinois.
RFC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-09, 09:19 AM   #12
JoeyBike
20+mph Commuter
 
JoeyBike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA USA
Bikes: Surly LHT, and 3 others
Posts: 5,493
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 182 Post(s)
One thing that has not been mentioned yet. If you do get dropped on a 10 mile loop with a shortcut, there is no possibility that you will be eating a headwind alone for the last 30 miles.

Bring a hammock or a nice reclining lawnchair, an ice chest full of refreshment, a couple of roadie bike magazines, some chips etc. Be sure to park your car on the route somewhere. If you blow up, return to car, set up camp, and cheer on the suffering riders each pass.

Better yet...don't even bring a bike.
JoeyBike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-09, 09:30 AM   #13
yeamac
Senior Member
 
yeamac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Central IL
Bikes: 2013 Marin Pioneer Trail MTB; 2012 Marin Verona T3; 2012 Marin Bridgeway; 2008 Cannondale Touring 2; 1996 Cannondale MT1000 tandem
Posts: 1,075
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
I have done a century in less than 6 hours saddle time without a paceline. My normal solo fitness rides are about 40 miles long and I average 18 mph. Even with a pace-line, I doubt if I can maintain 22 mph for more than 10 miles.
Isn't a paceline suppose to save you up to 30% energy? If so, theoretically you should be able to increase from 18 to 22mph.

I'd say go for it. Even if you can't keep up, like matt said, add it as a goal for next year.
yeamac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-09, 01:07 PM   #14
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
Thread Starter
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,600
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
One thing that has not been mentioned yet. If you do get dropped on a 10 mile loop with a shortcut, there is no possibility that you will be eating a headwind alone for the last 30 miles.

Bring a hammock or a nice reclining lawnchair, an ice chest full of refreshment, a couple of roadie bike magazines, some chips etc. Be sure to park your car on the route somewhere. If you blow up, return to car, set up camp, and cheer on the suffering riders each pass.

Better yet...don't even bring a bike.
This summarizes my day ^^.

I got lost driving to the parking lot, wasted 30 minutes, and arrived late.

Then I rode with the 5 man group for less than an hour until I went anaerobic. I discovered I can’t maintain 21 mph into a 15 mph headwind. I was OK when behind the other riders, but I was often in the wind, due to the rotating paceline. I “excused” myself, knowing I would fail within the next few miles. Rode 15 miles alone and then rejoined the group for a 25 to 30 mph stretch, this lasted about 6 miles. I “excused” myself again when the route turned into the wind (and it was howling). I crawled at 15 mph alone, was passed by the group again, but this time I couldn’t catch ’em.

Went to the parking lot. Ate, and began to pack it in. Spoke to another rider who also took a time-out but was planning on rejoining the group when they passed by in a few minutes.

Oh well.

Last year, at this time, riding 35 miles @ 15 mph was an accomplishment. I’ve come a long way and have a long way to go.

Michael
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.

Last edited by Barrettscv; 10-04-09 at 02:08 PM.
Barrettscv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-09, 02:28 PM   #15
stevegor
Senior Member
 
stevegor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Oz
Bikes: lots... even a Raleigh twenty !!!
Posts: 2,117
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Knowing your limitations is a good thing I suppose, but being limited by your perception of your limitations is not. In other words, endurance has a lot to do with mental attitude not just physical strength, knowing how to use that strength wisely is the key. Overcoming "defeatist" thoughts takes discipline, applying positive thoughts can, if done correctly, achieve very satisfying results. Knowing where to be in a paceline and when to rest are essential to reaching your goals. Finding good riders who cycle smoothly and at a consistent pace will help, steer clear of riders who pull like a freight train but alter the speed of the paceline with unnecessary surges of speed.

Anyway, this works for me.
stevegor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-09, 04:06 PM   #16
skiffrun
Senior Member
 
skiffrun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Raleigh, NC
Bikes:
Posts: 722
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
. . .
Itís a 10 mile loop to be repeated. . . .
WHY would anyone WANT to do a "century" like that !!??

No scenery, except the shoulder and wheel of the guy in front of you. No nothing but hammers hammering, doing a crit on a 10-mile loop.

This whole thread sounds like it belongs in a "racing" forum.

But that's just my opinion.
skiffrun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-09, 05:00 PM   #17
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
Thread Starter
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,600
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiffrun View Post
WHY would anyone WANT to do a "century" like that !!??

No scenery, except the shoulder and wheel of the guy in front of you. No nothing but hammers hammering, doing a crit on a 10-mile loop.

This whole thread sounds like it belongs in a "racing" forum.

But that's just my opinion.

... your opinion would make sense if this was the touring forum.
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
Barrettscv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-09, 05:16 PM   #18
JoeyBike
20+mph Commuter
 
JoeyBike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA USA
Bikes: Surly LHT, and 3 others
Posts: 5,493
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 182 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
Oh well.

Last year, at this time, riding 35 miles @ 15 mph was an accomplishment. Iíve come a long way and have a long way to go.
Be happy with what you can do today. Work for what you want tomorrow. All you can really do, even if your name is Lance Armstrong, is give it all you got. Sounds like you did just that. Good on ya!
JoeyBike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-09, 12:48 AM   #19
znomit
Zoom zoom zoom zoom bonk
 
znomit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: New Zealand
Bikes: Giant Defy Composite,Trek 1.7c, Specy Hardrock, Nishiki SL1, Jamis Commuter
Posts: 3,331
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiffrun View Post
WHY would anyone WANT to do a "century" like that !!??

This whole thread sounds like it belongs in a "racing" forum.
A very very good way to test endurance?

There are racers here. All long distance riders welcome!
znomit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-09, 07:18 AM   #20
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
Thread Starter
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,600
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevegor View Post
Knowing your limitations is a good thing I suppose, but being limited by your perception of your limitations is not. In other words, endurance has a lot to do with mental attitude not just physical strength, knowing how to use that strength wisely is the key. Overcoming "defeatist" thoughts takes discipline, applying positive thoughts can, if done correctly, achieve very satisfying results. Knowing where to be in a paceline and when to rest are essential to reaching your goals. Finding good riders who cycle smoothly and at a consistent pace will help, steer clear of riders who pull like a freight train but alter the speed of the paceline with unnecessary surges of speed.
Anyway, this works for me.


Good advice, thank you.

This group is consistent and discussed maintaining a steady effort. The wind really played a role. The route was an east to west rectangle and the wind was from the west in the 12- 18 mph range. In the wind, the group held 19 to 21 mph. With the wind to our back, the pace was 25 to 28 mph with a few spikes when gently rolling down a slope.

I need to add a HR monitor to maintain a steady effort.

Cheers,

Michael
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.
Barrettscv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-09, 10:18 PM   #21
CliftonGK1
Senior Member
 
CliftonGK1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Columbus, OH
Bikes: '08 Surly Cross-Check, 2011 Redline Conquest Pro, 2012 Spesh FSR Comp EVO, 2015 Trek Domane 6.2 disc
Posts: 11,380
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiffrun View Post
WHY would anyone WANT to do a "century" like that !!??

No scenery, except the shoulder and wheel of the guy in front of you. No nothing but hammers hammering, doing a crit on a 10-mile loop.

This whole thread sounds like it belongs in a "racing" forum.

But that's just my opinion.
I've done a century that was 50 laps of the 2 mile loop around my neighbourhood because I couldn't be away from the house for very long with a fiancee on the mend from a recent surgery.
Call me crazy, but sometimes it's not about where I go... it's just about spending time on my bike.
__________________
"I feel like my world was classier before I found cyclocross."
- Mandi M.
CliftonGK1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-09, 09:38 AM   #22
Barrettscv 
Have bike, will travel
Thread Starter
 
Barrettscv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Edwardsville, Illinois
Bikes: Colnago Nuova Mexico, Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Pinarello Gavia, Schwinn Paramount, Motobecane Grand Record, Peugeot PX10, Serotta Nova X, Simoncini Cyclocross Special, Origin8 monstercross, Pedal Force CG2 and CX2
Posts: 10,600
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
I heard from the other participants. The wind kept the pace to 20 mph and other riders also had to shorten the ride.

A small paceline can't always deliver huge improvements. Hills and wind will always reduce the pace. A pace line can help, but can't overcome these challanges. If the paceline had been larger, with 10 or more riders, or if the winds had been calmer, the result would have been my fastest ride of the year.

Michael
__________________
When I ride my bike I feel free and happy and strong. I'm liberated from the usual nonsense of day to day life. Solid, dependable, silent, my bike is my horse, my fighter jet, my island, my friend. Together we will conquer that hill and thereafter the world.

Last edited by Barrettscv; 10-06-09 at 11:49 AM.
Barrettscv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-09, 03:26 PM   #23
yeamac
Senior Member
 
yeamac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Central IL
Bikes: 2013 Marin Pioneer Trail MTB; 2012 Marin Verona T3; 2012 Marin Bridgeway; 2008 Cannondale Touring 2; 1996 Cannondale MT1000 tandem
Posts: 1,075
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
If the paceline had been larger, with 10 or more riders, or if the winds had been calmer, the result would have been my fastest ride of the year.
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
yeamac is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:59 PM.