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Old 05-16-10, 03:34 PM   #1
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Steel LD Bike

Hi all, I'm in the very early stages of planning a new bike. I'd like to do some randonneuring and just general commuting and riding on something lighter than my Kona Sutra. I love that bike, but as a full-on touring bike it's way overkill for most of the riding I do.

I'll probably buy a frame and build it up with 105ish stuff, Open Pros, etc. It has to be steel, tig is okay, and it has to have clearance for 32s with fenders. Of course it has to have the braze-ons for the fenders. No discs on this one.

Weight matters, I already have a tank/grocery getter.

I'd like to keep the frame and fork price under $600.

So I'm looking at Surly's Pacer, a frame I have long admired, and Salsa's Casserole. I like the Salsa, but I don't need the rack mounts (I definitely will not be putting a rack on this bike) and I don't know if I'm really feelin the straight-bladed fork.

So, I'm asking the community here, what other frames fit the bill? Surely there are tons out there, but I'm having a bit of a tough time finding alternatives.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 05-16-10, 03:51 PM   #2
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Soma fabrications has the extra smoothie frameand you can get either a steel or carbon fork for it.
The site says that it fits 32mm tires with fenders.

I too have been looking around for such a bike because my LHT is a heavy touring bike but it gets the job done,although rather slowly.

Keep in mind that the Surly pacer will only fit 28mm tires with fenders 32's without.

Other options include the Surly cross check or the Soma double cross.Both cyclo cross bikes but I imagine with light weight weels they would make good brevet bikes.

I'm sure there are others but these are the ones that I've been looking at getting.
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Old 05-16-10, 04:07 PM   #3
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Hey that Soma is a good looking bike. Fork situation is a little weird, i'd rather the frame come with a painted-to-match fork, but that's not a deal-breaker.

I actually meant to write "28s" with fenders. So the Surly would be okay.

I don't really want a cross bike. Handling matters, this will be my sportiest road bike.

Thanks mate.
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Here's one of several 'off the peg' frames from Bob Jackson that are each about $600 U.S. to your door (You have to back out the 15% VAT tax, add shipping, convert to dollars). You said you didn't need lugs, but you don't hate 'em, right? Plus, you get lugs lined, color choice, and braze-ons and custom paint touches are cheap if you want anything special.

(edit; I forgot you wanted 28's and fenders--the Audax End End would fit them, but don't buy the 25+1/2"; that one's mine!)
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Old 05-16-10, 05:53 PM   #5
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Wow, those Bob Jackson bikes seem like a super deal. Worth considering, for sure.

Lugs are beautiful, and in fact would be my preference. I just assumed that a nice lugged frame would be out of my price range.
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If you want to stretch your price range a bit Velo-Orange has a French-style lugged rando frame for $750.
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I rode 5000 miles on my Soma Double Cross last year. It meets all your requirements;

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soma, maybe a salsa casseroll, or salsa vaya (disc so no!)
the salsa rides nice... and i like the straight bladed fork.

you can squeeze some fat(ter) tires under the fenders on the salsa... maybe even the pacer. 2 friends with salsa's can run 30 - 32s with fenders - its tight.
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There's probably fifty posts on BF with me praising the Surly Pacer, but I'll do it again. There are a lot of great steel frames out there, and the Surly is one of them and personally my favorite.
Until my ship comes in and I can afford a Colnago Master X Light ill keep praising the Surly.
The biggest thing I like about it is its balance of responsiveness and stability.
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