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Long Distance Competition/Ultracycling, Randonneuring and Endurance Cycling Do you enjoy centuries, double centuries, brevets, randonnees, and 24-hour time trials? Share ride reports, and exchange training, equipment, and nutrition information specific to long distance cycling. This isn't for tours, this is for endurance events cycling

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Old 05-17-10, 07:10 AM   #1
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Is This What Long-Distance Cycling Is About?

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Old 05-17-10, 07:37 AM   #2
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Sounds more like a touring than long distance.
A nice ride anyhow.
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To answer the question in the title, no, that is not what long distance riding is all about. That's what touring is all about. There is a lot of confusion about that, maybe we should change the name of the forum to come after touring.

Touring is an entirely different pursuit than long distance riding. I have always had a lot of respect for tourists, they have a lot of specialized expertise. That's why I try to keep the touring questions in the touring forum.
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To answer the question in the title, no, that is not what long distance riding is all about. That's what touring is all about. There is a lot of confusion about that, maybe we should change the name of the forum to come after touring.
How about 'Ultra Cycling and Randonneuring'?
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It's all arbitrary. I think there is a lot of crossover between long distance, road cycling, touring, etc. For instance...if I do a 5 or 6 day, 150 mile a day credit card tour and race other people on a road racing bike am I doing a long distance ride, a bike tour, or a stage race? Ultimately its all just riding a bike, and probably kind of hard to draw a definitive line between the different types.
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of course there is some overlap, but it would be really inefficient to have one big forum. I really don't think that touring and randonneuring or long distance racing are all that similar though. A tourist can say, "I'm tired, not riding well, I'll stop." The worst that can happen is they don't get to stop quite as soon as they want. For the various categories of long distance rider, that same decision means the ride of shame in a SAG or similar alternatives. Conversely, touring often means a ride that continues for quite some time, whereas a long distance ride generally lasts 1-4 days at the most.
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I know that I'm gonna get flamed, but I just have to say it:

I find efforts like the one described in the article to be naive, pointless and narcissistic. Riding your bike is going to suddenly cause the world to become peaceful? C'mon... I ain't buying what this guy is selling. I have a much more cynical view... and I see a guy who wants to have a grand adventure and write a book about himself. He even said it in the article. And he's plucking people's heartstrings with "world peace" to get money to continue having his great adventure. Who can say "no" to world peace? Pass the hat... quick... while the crowd is mushy!

Did anyone pay attention to the article? The guy has been attacked simply because he was carrying a flag that the native population didn't like. Nice. Strike a great blow for world peace... bah.
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Call me a cynic, but touring for charity seems to be a good way to get people to pay for your tour and gives you an excuse why you took a year off from work.
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Call me a cynic, but touring for charity seems to be a good way to get people to pay for your tour and gives you an excuse why you took a year off from work.
Yeah, I'm taking notes....
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If you write well enough, it does seem that you can get people to help pay for a tour even if you aren't raising money for a charity. I know I have watched people's tours on crazyguy, and it is a lot of fun.
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Nice work if you can get it. SO far I've ridden to to two coffee shop wi-fi spots- so who wants to tune in to a yahoo web cam to see Richard Cranium drink coffee and end world hunger, cure cancer and generally preach on and on about how great cycling is?

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That's what I thought.
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Nice work if you can get it. SO far I've ridden to to two coffee shop wi-fi spots- so who wants to tune in to a yahoo web cam to see Richard Cranium drink coffee and end world hunger, cure cancer and generally preach on and on about how great cycling is?

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That's what I thought.
There was a guy following my Qik video live stream as I did an update from one of the controls on my last 200k. So maybe there is someone out there who wants to watch RC's Tour de Starbucks ride.
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of course there is some overlap, but it would be really inefficient to have one big forum. I really don't think that touring and randonneuring or long distance racing are all that similar though. A tourist can say, "I'm tired, not riding well, I'll stop." The worst that can happen is they don't get to stop quite as soon as they want. For the various categories of long distance rider, that same decision means the ride of shame in a SAG or similar alternatives. Conversely, touring often means a ride that continues for quite some time, whereas a long distance ride generally lasts 1-4 days at the most.
A valid argument. I think for the purposes of a discussion forum its a good point as the topics of conversation will be vastly different. The majority of the conversation in the touring forum is about camping and routes, not all that much about bikes at all.
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How about 'Ultra Cycling and Randonneuring'?
I like that! Even just simply "Ultracycling" would be fine. After all, the Ultra Marathon Cycling Association: http://www.ultracycling.com/ includes rides as short as centuries in their calendar.



And IMO, long distance cycling is much closer to road cycling than it is to touring.

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my thoughts

No matter how many specific behaviors/equipment exist under "long distance" that differentiate it from "touring".......I find myself consolidating aspects of each genre into each of my rides. Other than official competition, I am a combination of the two.
Forgive me in advance if sometime I accidently make a "touring" type statement in the "long distance" section. Any ridicule I may recieve will be more that compensated for by the many great comments and insights that are offered. I feel comfortable in both forums, I camp over many nights on one ride and I ride many centuries (3 in May already, 4 after the 31st!).
On June 14th a friend and I (each with Bob trailers) will do "'8 centuries in 8 days" ending at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. I will post the experience in both forums since some do not cross over for some reason!? Raydog
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"Is this what long distance cycling is about?" thread is where I meant to post this.....sorry, I pushed the wrong button. Anyways, they are my thoughts!
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Long distance riding is generally closer to Road cycling than it is to Touring. But there's nothing wrong with doing all three. I do shorter rides on the road (Road Cycling), I do cycling tours of various sorts (Touring), and I ride randonnees, 24-hour events, centuries etc. (Long Distance Cycling).

I do think, however, that the name of this forum might benefit from a change from "Long Distance Cycling, Randonneuring, and Endurance Cycling" to "Ultra-Cycling - Long Distance and Endurance Cycling" or something very similar to that.


In your particular case 8 centuries in 8 days would indeed be both long distance cycling because you are covering a long distance each day you are riding, and touring because you're sleeping a full night and getting up in the morning to do it all over again. In some cases there is some overlap because some tours involve lengthy daily distances.
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Yeah, I can see the distinctions, I (in the short time I've really been immersed in bicycling (1 1/2 years) think the answer is.....just do the cycling stuff that turns you on the most then see which category fits most appropriately! I really don't yet know where I belong the most, so far it's a hybrid corner called "high speed, long distance, test yourself, touring" !
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Yeah, I can see the distinctions, I (in the short time I've really been immersed in bicycling (1 1/2 years) think the answer is.....just do the cycling stuff that turns you on the most then see which category fits most appropriately! I really don't yet know where I belong the most, so far it's a hybrid corner called "high speed, long distance, test yourself, touring" !
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The thing is, you don't have to pick one category ... you can do and enjoy many categories. I commuted by bicycle regularly for 6 years, and then occasionally after that. I've done some mtn biking, and would like to get into that a little bit more. I've ridden a couple recumbents, and they are on my wish list. I've owned and ridden a tandem, and Rowan and I have been talking about trying and then getting one for us. We're also considering a pair of folders. I raced for three years, and do a lot of road riding. I've toured fairly extensively. And I enjoy riding long distances.

Variety is the spice of life.

And when it comes to the forums, I'll participate in many different sub-forums. When I want to talk about touring, I'll go to the Touring forum. When I want to talk about road cycling in general, I'll go to the Road forum, and when I want to talk about riding a 300K randonnee ... I'll come to the Long Distance forum.
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I would advise to stick to touring for the ride report. There is no reason to spam the forums. I know nobody reads the rules, but here is the applicable one:

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I would appreciated everyone's assistance in keeping the touring posts in touring. I'd prefer this not be the newbie touring forum just because they don't read down to see that there is a touring forum.

The OP's trip is a 1200k for all intents and purposes. Thus, randonneurs the world over are doing this distance in less than 4 days.

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Old 05-31-10, 02:58 AM   #21
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But if raydog wants to post about his centuries in the Century Challenge thread, that would be fine.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...tury-Challenge

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looking forward to seeing his ride report
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