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Old 01-16-12, 02:58 PM   #1
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velo orange

I called velo orange today to find out when they would have more rando frames in my size they said they were discontinuing the rando frame and they were making a new frame model but they couldn't tell me any specs or even if it was realy going to be a randonnaing frame or not so i am looking for a frame similar to the VO rando that will accept a low rider front rack. thanks for the help.
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Old 01-16-12, 05:38 PM   #2
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I found a sasla casseroll frame and fork for 589.00 in my size of 51 they dont have the complete bike in 51 what do you think of this deal.
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The Casseroll is a great bike, but that's not a smokin' deal, since the frame/fork is normally $599. Complete they can be found around $1100.
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Or should i splerge and get a boulder cycles for 1500 is the boulder worth the extra money thanks. That is for frame and fork. I would realy like to buy a bike complete if i could find the right one in my size.
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I called velo orange today to find out when they would have more rando frames in my size they said they were discontinuing the rando frame and they were making a new frame model but they couldn't tell me any specs or even if it was realy going to be a randonnaing frame or not
VO seems pretty up to date with details about their frames. I haven't heard anything about discontinuing the Rando. They have overstock of the large sizes and they are on sale. Apparently they're designing a pass hunter frame. seems like a nice bike.
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In my opinion, the VO randonneur is functional, but weird. If it were my money, I would definitely go for the Boulder. It really depends on what you mean by "worth it." I can't say that the two bikes would function differently enough that you could tell the difference while blind-folded.
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In my opinion, the VO randonneur is functional, but weird. If it were my money, I would definitely go for the Boulder. It really depends on what you mean by "worth it." I can't say that the two bikes would function differently enough that you could tell the difference while blind-folded.
Just curious what you think is weird about the VO randonneur. If the two function so closely that you can't tell the difference between a VO rando and the Boulder Bikes rando, then it's hard to see what's weird about the VO rando.

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Jan Heine recently wrote a blog post about how expensive bikes are worth it. I read it and while I agree with him in general principle, I wouldn't want to make most of the assertions he did. I've always been a bike snob, that's a burden I have to live with. I think it's worth a substantial premium to avoid a factory built frame, but everyone has to make up their mind on that question.

I caught up to someone riding a VO randonneur and my first thought was that it was someone's home-built first/only frame. I think it's clunky looking and the fork is bent inelegantly. It's apparent they tried to copy a French randonneuse, and didn't want to waste too much money doing a better copy.
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Why not a Surly CrossCheck, or something like that? Plenty of other good frames to choose from.
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please list some of the other good frames thanks
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Jan Heine recently wrote a blog post about how expensive bikes are worth it...
It'll probably shock some people here but I actually agree with Jan's opinion on this. The difficult thing is that not all expensive frames are made equally. Some are definitely better than others. If I'm correct, the Boulder is a custom made frame with would put it in a completely different class than the VO. If it was my choice, I'd spend the extra money on the Boulder hands down.
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Jan Heine recently wrote a blog post about how expensive bikes are worth it.
The question is always "Worth what?" The choice to spend money on one thing (a more expensive bike) is the choice to not spend money on something else. Whether that more expensive bike is "worth it" depends on the nature of that "something else". If that something else is another luxury, then the more expensive bike may be "worht it." If that something else is providing food and shelter for loved ones, it's probably not worth it.

It looked to me like I could build a VO Rando bike - starting with their build kit, and adding decent quality new parts - for right around $1850. While I drool over the Boulder Bikes rando, my guess is that you are looking at at least $1000 more than that.
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please list some of the other good frames thanks
Surly CrossCheck
Several from Soma Cycles
Salsa Casseroll
I know there's more, just can't think of any at the moment.

It would probably help if you had a more specific set of criteria... there are plenty of road bike frames that you can put a touring fork on and get lowrider racks on. Nashbar makes a decent touring frame for $100, plenty of people like them.

How similar to the VO Rando does it have to be? Plenty of touring bikes would fit the bill, and some more relaxed steel road bikes would work, too.

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I thought the specs on the VO Rando were quite good with the exception of 2:
1. Largest tire with fenders is 700C x 28 to 30. 32's are a no go with fenders & fenders are good on brevets.
2. Fork rake is 53 mm & with a 700Cx28 gives 51.3 mm of trial. This is slightly above the 50 mm upper limit for low trail 700Cs.
Other than above, the bike seems nice, nice TT cable stops, DP brakes, proper HA and SA.
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If I was looking for a reasonably priced rando frame I think the Boulder would be on top of the list by a pretty wide margin.
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The question is always "Worth what?" The choice to spend money on one thing (a more expensive bike) is the choice to not spend money on something else.
not to put words in his mouth, but I think his assertion was that over time, an expensive bike would not cost more, and you would get a better, more enjoyable bike

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It looked to me like I could build a VO Rando bike - starting with their build kit, and adding decent quality new parts - for right around $1850. While I drool over the Boulder Bikes rando, my guess is that you are looking at at least $1000 more than that.
I agree, but I wouldn't necessarily equate the two. You can successfully ride long distance on lots of bikes that are even cheaper than the VO, and many do.
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not to put words in his mouth, but I think his assertion was that over time, an expensive bike would not cost more, and you would get a better, more enjoyable bike
Do you have a link to the blog?
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not to put words in his mouth, but I think his assertion was that over time, an expensive bike would not cost more, and you would get a better, more enjoyable bike

I agree, but I wouldn't necessarily equate the two. You can successfully ride long distance on lots of bikes that are even cheaper than the VO, and many do.
I would agree with that 100%. If you spend the extra money on a good quality bike/frame you won't need to have clearance for balloon tires because you can get the same ride quality with smaller tires. Higher quality parts also tend to last longer. I've done 1200ks on 1970's steel bikes with no problem but it's a heck of a lot more fun, pleasurable and less tiring on good quality equipment.

If you can't afford the higher quality stuff then you just get the best stuff you feel you can justify. It's pretty simple.
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Do you have a link to the blog?
It's here: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/0...nsive-bicycle/
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Update on VO Rando

I asked VO about the tubing used on the Rando and they stated it is
Std diameters (1 1-8" DT, 1" TT) in a 9/6/9 wall and Non Heat Treated. This is approximately the wall used in Columbus SL tubing.
The wall thickness may or may not be good for you depending on weight.

Based on Utterhausen's comments on the VO Rando, the Boulder may be a better chice, albeit higher cost.
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Why not a Surly CrossCheck, or something like that? Plenty of other good frames to choose from.
If he wants a lower-cost rando frame, there aren't a lot of choices, and crossers are usually not good randos, at least not if you're planning on carrying a front bag. For a nice road bike, there are a load of decent choices.

In Jan Heine's reviews of the V-O Rando and the Boulder, the riding and handling of the Boulder was at the top with nearly anything he had tested: Weigle, Terraferma, and Ellis. I'd go for the Boulder.
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I asked VO about the tubing used on the Rando and they stated it is
Std diameters (1 1-8" DT, 1" TT) in a 9/6/9 wall and Non Heat Treated. This is approximately the wall used in Columbus SL tubing.
The wall thickness may or may not be good for you depending on weight.

Based on Utterhausen's comments on the VO Rando, the Boulder may be a better chice, albeit higher cost.
Exactly, not approximately, as far as my research has shown. I don't think that would be light enough for decent planing, if that's what one wants.
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It all depends on what your purpose is for the bike. If you want a rando/allrounder, the Boulder Allroad is said to be hard to beat at a much higher price. In San Francisco, the Boxdog Pelican is selling out for porteur and rando use. For sport tour, a vintage Trek 620 is (one of my sweet spots) hard to beat. For heavy touring? Well, I wouldn't really know, but maybe the Long Haul Trucker?

What about Bringheli, or other experienced USA KOFs? There's Ebisu, from Jitensha bike shop in Berkeley, CA.

But there are many other choices, such as Bob Jackson, Mercian, Woodrup, Ocean Air, and the Salsas and Surlys.

What's a really good buy? Well, the custom ones I mention are all less than $2000. The factory ones are from half as much or less.
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I'll have to look at the Crosscheck. I'm assuming the OP wants a bike for long distance riding, and something in the French style. I'm aware people have been happy on many types of bikes in long rides. I've done them on a tourer and a Mondonico - I'm looking for something more French now.
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Did you look at the Jamis Aurora series? I have a 2009 that I like a lot and it looks like such a classic bike (excuse the modern seat).



This is a 55cm frame.
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