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Old 08-25-12, 12:32 PM   #1
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two Racing/Rando bike builds, need help deciding!!!

im very interested in broadening my cycling abilities to more of the racing side (id love to invest in cycling shoes, kit, etc.) but my passion lies within randos. so here is my question, and mind you, i am still in the learning process :

i am currently looking to buy a 1980s Celeste Bianchi or a Bridgestone RB-2. could i turn either into a racing/rando bike. is this possible? both have campy components and clipless pedals.

i have a soft spot for anything 'Grant Peterson made', but would love anyones opinion or advice on this subject... i want to do this properly.
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Old 08-25-12, 01:15 PM   #2
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The tire clearances on the Bianchi will be much closer than on the RB-2. My 1983 Bianchi Nuovo Racer will fit most 25c tires but very few 28c tires. And if you want fenders on the Bianchi, forgetaboutit!
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i have a Bridgestone XO with fenders, and moustache bars, but im wanting a more 'race/road' appropriate bicycle with drop bars, and with that, hoping to achieve wearing cycling gear (on certain rides) to go with the build...
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I think I know what most people mean by a "racing bike" and by a "rando bike." What is a "racing/rando" bike, in your mind?
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i have a Bridgestone XO with fenders, and moustache bars, but im wanting a more 'race/road' appropriate bicycle with drop bars, and with that, hoping to achieve wearing cycling gear (on certain rides) to go with the build...
Ok, you seem to like steel (vintage MTB, hybrid, or all-rounder) and are interested in fenders, drop bars, and presumeably fat tires. Right? Sounds kinda like a rando. What do you see as the race part of it?
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For your two frame ideas, I think it might be tough to put really fat tires (38 mm or so) on either one with fenders. At least the rando style is probably not in the cards. But people here will tell you that most people riding brevets do not use bikes in the rando style.

Also, are you interested in the low-trail front bag aspect of the rando style? I'd be surprised if either of those frames had a trail figure less then 55 mm, which would be a lot higher than the archetype.
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i know, racing/rando is hard for me to compute as well, but my idea is this - having one bike to join group rides in town with cycling kit/gear/shoes, but also have it functional for any randonneuring i may do? i am just not interested in buying a big ol Moots or Caad10 at this time. i am trying to school myself everyday, but im definitely a fan of steel frames. i have Bridgestone XO that has 650bs, racks, fenders, the works. only thing is i have the moustache bars on the XO. so i am wanting a second bike to have drop bars, (they are more comfortable for longer distances). the ultimate goal: superior tan lines, keeping up with more fit riders and not to look like a dummy in the process. hehe =) i hope this paints a lil more of a picture for you...?
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Have you looked at the framesets made by Rawland Cycles? They're not C&V but very much in that spirit. These are more "all-'rounders" which seem to match your criteria. Also, in just a few years these frames have already become quite sought-after due to the limited production runs of each frame.
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It doesn't matter what you get. Get whatever strikes your fancy. Pretty much any drop bar bike that fits you properly and is in reasonable condition will work for what you want to do.
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so im leaning more towards the Bianchi then... i have seen one with fenders so im hoping there will be enough clearance if i do decide to add fenders. if it were a RB-1, there would be no question to which bicycle id get.

so it would be proper to wear a full cycling kit with a 1980s Celeste Bianchi with clipless pedals and straps alongside riders with Treks, Caads, Moots, etc?

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...so it would be proper to wear a full cycling kit with a 1980s Celeste Bianchi with clipless pedals and straps alongside riders with Treks, Caads, Moots, etc?

Sure, why not, I rode a 70's Peugeot Competition Light with tennis shoes and toestraps when I first started doing brevets. Most people on brevets are just happy to have someone to ride with. It doesn't matter what you're on or wearing.
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wonderful! i just respect cyclists and all the dedication that goes into racing and rando rides that i always want to stay true to tradition. =)
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wonderful! i just respect cyclists and all the dedication that goes into racing and rando rides that i always want to stay true to tradition. =)
If you ask me, you're worried too much about what you look like. When you're on the fourth day of a 1200, I promise you that you won't give a hoot what you look like. As to what bike to ride, if what you're interested in is racing, ride a bike that lets you succeed at that, and if what you're interested in is riding insanely long distances with time limits, then ride whatever bike lets you succeed at that. Possibly you can do both those techniques of riding with the same bike. A recent issue of Bicycle Quarterly has a review of a Jeff Lyon's bike that I'd describe as a "racing 650B" that could potentially be a crossover to both techniques of riding.

FWIW, my current main rando bike is an '82 Trek 720 that I've converted to 650B. The '82's use regular Reynolds 531 tubing, not the heavier duty 531 touring frameset of the later 720's. And the '82's used sidepull brakes, not the later cantilevers, so that make it easy to convert them to 650B with longer-reach brakes (I'm using DiaCompe 750 centerpulls).

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I think you're overthinking it. Get whatever bike floats your boat and go ride it. If that's some classic/vintage/traditional style, great, and if it's something that looks like it's right out of a science fiction movie, that's fine, too.

Here's what they were riding on a 600k a year or two ago:
http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z...view=slideshow


Dan Driscoll is one of the more prolific rando riders in this part of the country. A while back, he was on a bike I didn't recognize. I asked about it, and he said, "Oh, this is Kaleen's old bike. If I didn't ride it, nobody would." So it's not always rocket science going into this. Yesterday, he was on his Volagi carbon-fiber bike.

If you're actually riding with the Hill Country Randonneurs, then you will know that Gary Gottlieb is partial to titanium bikes. A while back, I was at a ride, and noticed when stopped, that out of the 7 riders, I was on the only one on a steel bike- everyone else was on titanium.

I know of three or four riders that use the handlebar-bag-style rando bike. But that is very much a regional thing, and not that common around here, and those bikes are the exception, rather than the rule. Ditto for fenders, and mudflaps are pretty much unseen around here. Aero bars are much more common than handlebar bags.

Something else to keep in mind is that generally, the builders of old vintage/traditional bikes didn't think like the modern builders. They were trying to build the latest and greatest for the task at hand. If all they had done was copy what was done 40 years prior to THEIR time, they would have been building balloon-tired single-speeds or something along that line- basically, bikes that nobody today would think of riidng on a brevet. (Except, that I did ride my first brevet on a Worksman single-speed cruiser.)
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so im leaning more towards the Bianchi then... i have seen one with fenders so im hoping there will be enough clearance if i do decide to add fenders.
That might be a stretch -- my late-80's Bianchi did not even take 700x28 tires without a little bit of "clearancing" so fenders are out with any tire over 700x23.

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As the other posters have pointed out, you're worrying way too much about fitting in. Just ride whatever inspires you to ride more.
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