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Old 02-01-13, 02:32 PM   #26
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yeah, I probably should just get a revelate seat bag, the LBS carries them.
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Old 02-01-13, 04:41 PM   #27
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Don't worry, nothing awful or derogatory. It's just a regional thing. If I may type in generalities it's not just fenders. If you go to a big randonee, one with lots of participants like PBP, it's often easy to determine a region or even country, that someone came from just by the type of bike they are on and the accessories they are using. In the colder regions you often see bikes designed and built to carry more of a load with things like handlebar bags and heavier duty rack/bag combos along and more robust parts. Riders from colder climates have to carry more gear to stay comfortable and keep their bikes going while riding in less than stellar conditions. In warmer regions you see many more riders on sport geometry bikes because they aren't carrying the loads, they don't require quite so robust parts because they aren't riding in as harsh conditions on a regular basis. Riders in different regions tend to use the tool (bike) that best suits their riding environment, that's all.
I wasn't worried at all. I was just interested in what you meant. The details you provided go a long way to clarify what you meant. Thanks.
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Old 02-01-13, 05:50 PM   #28
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I suppose this isn't pertaining to this thread, but..

Your observations make an interesting point. If randonneuring is supposed to be about self sufficiency, what does it say for someone who has a crew (well, buddies/wives/husbands/partners) following with drop bags of gear/extra bikes and lots of food? I guess if you're after the fastest personal time, you're going to do what you feel is necessary - but it seems like overkill to me. I don't see much of a difference between super supported brevets on a race bike and a stage in the TDF.
I've seen this topic come up around here a few times, and people seem to have strong opinions one way or the other. The thing is, in the real world (or at least my version of the real world) it doesn't seem to be much of an issue. In four years of randonneuring including many 600k and longer brevets I've never seen a rider who had any kind of "support crew" meeting them at controls. Of course, I'm not counting PBP. I saw the scores of personal support RVs lined up at the controls there--PBP is really its own unique beast. But of the North American brevets that I've experienced, personal support crews seem to be about as common as performance enhancing drugs in randonneuring (though I'll personally admit to using performance diminishing drugs like beer).

Maybe it's a regional thing? I'll admit I'm one of those "Northwest oriented" randonneurs that Homeyba was talking about.
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Cool bag! Where can I get one? You should be able to meet just about any need with a bag like that!
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...In four years of randonneuring including many 600k and longer brevets I've never seen a rider who had any kind of "support crew" meeting them at controls.... But of the North American brevets that I've experienced, personal support crews seem to be about as common as performance enhancing drugs in randonneuring (though I'll personally admit to using performance diminishing drugs like beer).
I've seen it on occasion. Ken Bonner used to always have a support crew with him. The only support I use on brevets is my drop bags and I pack those things full of anything I may possibly need. I don't like to carry anything I don't need so drop bags work great for me. If I wanted to go completely unsupported I'd take up touring. When I race, I not only have a support crew but I have them in a van right behind me. btw, beer isn't necessarily a performance diminishing drug! I think beer is actually pretty good for you. In moderation of course. In fact, I know of at least one RAAM racer who likes to have a beer or two during the race.

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...Maybe it's a regional thing? I'll admit I'm one of those "Northwest oriented" randonneurs that Homeyba was talking about.
What you are saying then is that you "resemble" my remark.
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Cool bag! Where can I get one? You should be able to meet just about any need with a bag like that!
If you're talking about the Relevate Design bag, here's their main website. Looks like they do direct sales as well as provide a link to various outlets like Treefort, Jenson USA, etc... http://www.revelatedesigns.com/
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There was one person on the last Endless Mountains 1240k that had his wife driving from controle to controle. However, it is rare. Everyone on a 1200k has a drop bag, would be silly not to.
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yeah, I probably should just get a revelate seat bag, the LBS carries them.
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Cool bag! Where can I get one? You should be able to meet just about any need with a bag like that!
if you guys are interested in supporting a local philly,PA biker, bag maker, and fine human being:

http://carpenterthreadworks.wordpress.com/

buck30 for his saddlebag.

i have also heard fine things about the relevate stuff. all these bags seem VERY similar in design. nice thing about matt (the guy above) is he can sneak some custom trickery in if you have ideas. he also made me a nice little bentobox and a stem/handlebar mount grab bag for easy on the go access; i will be swillin junk food while riding like a pro from now on.

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