Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 56
  1. #1
    Senior Member BasicJim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    NW Ohio
    My Bikes
    Trek 1000
    Posts
    107
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quick Ramp-up for 300K

    I did my first 200K last fall and loved it. I signed up for a 300K in May and I just realized it's March!!

    I have been doing 3-4 days a week (1 hr ) on the rollers for the past few months. I feel confident that I could go do 100mi today but I am not sure about 300K. I need to ramp it up.

    Should I just keep with the same I am doing but add in some long rides going from 4 hrs and adding an hour each week?

    Thoughts?

    Basicjim
    2011 Cannondale Synapse Carbon 4
    2006 Trek 1000 SL
    1999 Trek 1100
    2004 Sledgehammer (for sweet jumps)

    “You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances”
    -Bobby Fischer

  2. #2
    Senior Member Commodus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Burnaby, BC
    Posts
    4,144
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Well usually you're required to do a 200k the same season to 'qualify' for a 300. As with most things rando, though, the rules are applied fairly casually.

    But, generally your performance on the qualifying 200 instructs you as to your condition.

  3. #3
    Senior Member EdgewaterDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    My Bikes
    2014 Trek Domane
    Posts
    350
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    What's that old training adage? Be able to do 60% or 70% of the total mileage?

    If 70% is the case, I would think someone should be able to do 130 miles efficiently and comfortably before taking on a 300K. As Commodus noted, the 200K would have given you some conditioning to do that 300K.

    To prepare for the brevet season, I've simply been getting my butt in the saddle as much as possible. I'm also doing a permanent to ramp up on conditioning. Do you have any permanents near by that you could do?

  4. #4
    Senior Member BasicJim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    NW Ohio
    My Bikes
    Trek 1000
    Posts
    107
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by EdgewaterDude View Post
    What's that old training adage? Be able to do 60% or 70% of the total mileage?

    If 70% is the case, I would think someone should be able to do 130 miles efficiently and comfortably before taking on a 300K. As Commodus noted, the 200K would have given you some conditioning to do that 300K.

    To prepare for the brevet season, I've simply been getting my butt in the saddle as much as possible. I'm also doing a permanent to ramp up on conditioning. Do you have any permanents near by that you could do?
    Yes, there are permanents within a few hours of me. I'll get out and do that. I hate riding in this snow but I need to get out and ride.

    I did the last 200K of the fall and was very comfortable. I finished in just over 9 hours. I know that is not an indicator of my current level of fitness, though.
    2011 Cannondale Synapse Carbon 4
    2006 Trek 1000 SL
    1999 Trek 1100
    2004 Sledgehammer (for sweet jumps)

    “You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances”
    -Bobby Fischer

  5. #5
    Randomhead
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,732
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Commodus View Post
    Well usually you're required to do a 200k the same season to 'qualify' for a 300. As with most things rando, though, the rules are applied fairly casually.
    don't recall seeing this requirement. I would think that most RBA's would want to have a certain amount of confidence that people are going to be able to complete the event

  6. #6
    Senior Member Commodus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Burnaby, BC
    Posts
    4,144
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    don't recall seeing this requirement. I would think that most RBA's would want to have a certain amount of confidence that people are going to be able to complete the event
    Could be just us crazy cancucks:
    6. For rides over 200 km, a rider must qualify at a shorter distance before attempting the next longer ride. A rider who has completed a distance in a previous season may advance to the next one in the current season without doing the shorter qualifier(s). (Exceptions may be made to this rule, but only with the prior approval of the ride organizer and the regional route coordinator.)
    http://www.randonneurs.bc.ca/introduction/rules.html

  7. #7
    Senior Member Commodus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Burnaby, BC
    Posts
    4,144
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    haha...now I see I am wrong. It doesn't have to be the same season at all.

  8. #8
    Randomhead
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,732
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    if it was my ride and I had no idea if a person would finish, I would ask them what they will do if they can't. If the answer is "call you," I might suggest working up to the longer distance.

    I am pretty sure these things are up to the organizer and not a hard and fast rule. I have heard of cases where people have been allowed to ride 1200k's without a qualifying series. Don't try this with PBP

  9. #9
    Senior Member EdgewaterDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    My Bikes
    2014 Trek Domane
    Posts
    350
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    if it was my ride and I had no idea if a person would finish, I would ask them what they will do if they can't. If the answer is "call you," I might suggest working up to the longer distance.

    I am pretty sure these things are up to the organizer and not a hard and fast rule. I have heard of cases where people have been allowed to ride 1200k's without a qualifying series. Don't try this with PBP
    How does somebody do a 1200k without having previously ridden a series? I imagine that that's a decision that would be immediately regretted.

  10. #10
    Senior Member Commodus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Burnaby, BC
    Posts
    4,144
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by EdgewaterDude View Post
    How does somebody do a 1200k without having previously ridden a series? I imagine that that's a decision that would be immediately regretted.
    Some folks are hardcore long distance racers, and maybe they don't bother doing traditional brevets?

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Escondido, CA
    Posts
    2,122
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Commodus View Post
    Well usually you're required to do a 200k the same season to 'qualify' for a 300. As with most things rando, though, the rules are applied fairly casually.

    But, generally your performance on the qualifying 200 instructs you as to your condition.
    Must be either specific to Canada, or less respected by paid organized events than by self-organizing randos. I registered for two different organized double centuries ran by two different organizations in CA and no one asked me about ride experience in either case.

  12. #12
    Senior Member k7baixo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    PHX AZ
    My Bikes
    Bacchetta CA2.0
    Posts
    495
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Commodus View Post
    Some folks are hardcore long distance racers, and maybe they don't bother doing traditional brevets?
    Years ago, I believe that the CO Last Chance was a RAAM qualifier. I'm pretty certain that there were several who completed it w/o having ridden an official full brevet series previously.
    Last edited by k7baixo; 03-19-13 at 04:33 PM.
    Cheers, Gerry
    gerryelam.wordpress.com

  13. #13
    Senior Member Commodus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Burnaby, BC
    Posts
    4,144
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by hamster View Post
    Must be either specific to Canada, or less respected by paid organized events than by self-organizing randos. I registered for two different organized double centuries ran by two different organizations in CA and no one asked me about ride experience in either case.
    a double century ain't a brevet tho.

    I mean it could be, but not by definition.

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Escondido, CA
    Posts
    2,122
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Commodus View Post
    a double century ain't a brevet tho.

    I mean it could be, but not by definition.
    How do you figure?

  15. #15
    Senior Member skiffrun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    647
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Commodus View Post
    Not even the ACP requires that PBP rides be in-order (any more).
    Enjoy the ride.

  16. #16
    Senior Member skiffrun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    647
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by EdgewaterDude View Post
    How does somebody do a 1200k without having previously ridden a series? I imagine that that's a decision that would be immediately regretted.
    Look up the RUSA results for RUSA #8001.
    .
    .
    _
    _
    Now look up her UMCA results.
    Enjoy the ride.

  17. #17
    Reeks of aged cotton duck Hydrated's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Middle Georgia, USA
    My Bikes
    2008 Kogswell PR mkII, 1976 Raleigh Professional, 1996 Serotta Atlanta, 1984 Trek 520, 1979 Raleigh Comp GS, 1995 Trek 950, 1979 Raleigh DL-1 Tourist
    Posts
    1,171
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by skiffrun View Post
    Look up the RUSA results for RUSA #8001.
    .
    .
    _
    _
    Now look up her UMCA results.
    I'd say that she "self-qualified"!
    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.-Aristotle

  18. #18
    Randomhead
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,732
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by hamster View Post
    How do you figure?
    don't most double centuries have sag support? There obviously isn't a whole lot of difference between a brevet and a double century other than the level of support

  19. #19
    Uber Goober StephenH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Dallas area, Texas
    Posts
    10,650
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    BasicJim, just go ride a bunch. If you live where it's hilly, go ride hills.
    The big question is not so much "can it be done" but "can it be done in a reasonable time while enjoying the experience". The more you're able to get out and ride, the easier it'll be.
    "be careful this rando stuff is addictive and dan's the 'pusher'."

  20. #20
    Randomhead
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,732
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    as far as the original question goes, I find the difference between being able to go 100 miles and 300k is eating. As long as I eat I do fine. I have also been known to ride too hard sometimes, but that generally doesn't stop me from finishing. The only problem for me is cramping, when I'm not in good enough shape I cramp a lot. For me, enduralites fix that problem pretty well

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Escondido, CA
    Posts
    2,122
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    don't most double centuries have sag support? There obviously isn't a whole lot of difference between a brevet and a double century other than the level of support
    99% of support at double centuries occurs at checkpoints, same as with brevets. But yes, technically there is additional roving support that is not available at brevets.

  22. #22
    Randomhead
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,732
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    support at checkpoints is the exception rather than the rule on brevets. Usually offered only if there is some good reason for it.

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Escondido, CA
    Posts
    2,122
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    support at checkpoints is the exception rather than the rule on brevets. Usually offered only if there is some good reason for it.
    Define "support". Support as in "getting more food and water" occurs at checkpoints on brevets all the time, the only fundamental difference is that, on a brevet, you pay for it as you go, on a century, you pre-pay for the whole thing.

  24. #24
    Senior Member k7baixo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    PHX AZ
    My Bikes
    Bacchetta CA2.0
    Posts
    495
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by skiffrun View Post
    Look up the RUSA results for RUSA #8001.
    .
    .
    _
    _
    Now look up her UMCA results.

    Maria and her family are excellent riders and good people. She trying to raise $1M for brain cancer in conjunction with RAAM.

    http://www.3000milestoacure.com/donate
    Cheers, Gerry
    gerryelam.wordpress.com

  25. #25
    Senior Member EdgewaterDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    My Bikes
    2014 Trek Domane
    Posts
    350
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by skiffrun View Post
    Look up the RUSA results for RUSA #8001.
    .
    .
    _
    _
    Now look up her UMCA results.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrated View Post
    I'd say that she "self-qualified"!
    Ha! Point taken. My mindset when I posed my question totally discounted the fact that there are other long distance events aside from RUSA brevets. I was originally wondering what it would be like if someone off the street who had not rode much at all were to ride a 1200K event.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •