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Old 03-19-13, 11:01 AM   #1
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Quick Ramp-up for 300K

I did my first 200K last fall and loved it. I signed up for a 300K in May and I just realized it's March!!

I have been doing 3-4 days a week (1 hr ) on the rollers for the past few months. I feel confident that I could go do 100mi today but I am not sure about 300K. I need to ramp it up.

Should I just keep with the same I am doing but add in some long rides going from 4 hrs and adding an hour each week?

Thoughts?

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Well usually you're required to do a 200k the same season to 'qualify' for a 300. As with most things rando, though, the rules are applied fairly casually.

But, generally your performance on the qualifying 200 instructs you as to your condition.
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What's that old training adage? Be able to do 60% or 70% of the total mileage?

If 70% is the case, I would think someone should be able to do 130 miles efficiently and comfortably before taking on a 300K. As Commodus noted, the 200K would have given you some conditioning to do that 300K.

To prepare for the brevet season, I've simply been getting my butt in the saddle as much as possible. I'm also doing a permanent to ramp up on conditioning. Do you have any permanents near by that you could do?
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What's that old training adage? Be able to do 60% or 70% of the total mileage?

If 70% is the case, I would think someone should be able to do 130 miles efficiently and comfortably before taking on a 300K. As Commodus noted, the 200K would have given you some conditioning to do that 300K.

To prepare for the brevet season, I've simply been getting my butt in the saddle as much as possible. I'm also doing a permanent to ramp up on conditioning. Do you have any permanents near by that you could do?
Yes, there are permanents within a few hours of me. I'll get out and do that. I hate riding in this snow but I need to get out and ride.

I did the last 200K of the fall and was very comfortable. I finished in just over 9 hours. I know that is not an indicator of my current level of fitness, though.
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Well usually you're required to do a 200k the same season to 'qualify' for a 300. As with most things rando, though, the rules are applied fairly casually.
don't recall seeing this requirement. I would think that most RBA's would want to have a certain amount of confidence that people are going to be able to complete the event
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don't recall seeing this requirement. I would think that most RBA's would want to have a certain amount of confidence that people are going to be able to complete the event
Could be just us crazy cancucks:
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6. For rides over 200 km, a rider must qualify at a shorter distance before attempting the next longer ride. A rider who has completed a distance in a previous season may advance to the next one in the current season without doing the shorter qualifier(s). (Exceptions may be made to this rule, but only with the prior approval of the ride organizer and the regional route coordinator.)
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haha...now I see I am wrong. It doesn't have to be the same season at all.
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if it was my ride and I had no idea if a person would finish, I would ask them what they will do if they can't. If the answer is "call you," I might suggest working up to the longer distance.

I am pretty sure these things are up to the organizer and not a hard and fast rule. I have heard of cases where people have been allowed to ride 1200k's without a qualifying series. Don't try this with PBP
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if it was my ride and I had no idea if a person would finish, I would ask them what they will do if they can't. If the answer is "call you," I might suggest working up to the longer distance.

I am pretty sure these things are up to the organizer and not a hard and fast rule. I have heard of cases where people have been allowed to ride 1200k's without a qualifying series. Don't try this with PBP
How does somebody do a 1200k without having previously ridden a series? I imagine that that's a decision that would be immediately regretted.
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How does somebody do a 1200k without having previously ridden a series? I imagine that that's a decision that would be immediately regretted.
Some folks are hardcore long distance racers, and maybe they don't bother doing traditional brevets?
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Well usually you're required to do a 200k the same season to 'qualify' for a 300. As with most things rando, though, the rules are applied fairly casually.

But, generally your performance on the qualifying 200 instructs you as to your condition.
Must be either specific to Canada, or less respected by paid organized events than by self-organizing randos. I registered for two different organized double centuries ran by two different organizations in CA and no one asked me about ride experience in either case.
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Some folks are hardcore long distance racers, and maybe they don't bother doing traditional brevets?
Years ago, I believe that the CO Last Chance was a RAAM qualifier. I'm pretty certain that there were several who completed it w/o having ridden an official full brevet series previously.

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Must be either specific to Canada, or less respected by paid organized events than by self-organizing randos. I registered for two different organized double centuries ran by two different organizations in CA and no one asked me about ride experience in either case.
a double century ain't a brevet tho.

I mean it could be, but not by definition.
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a double century ain't a brevet tho.

I mean it could be, but not by definition.
How do you figure?
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Not even the ACP requires that PBP rides be in-order (any more).
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How does somebody do a 1200k without having previously ridden a series? I imagine that that's a decision that would be immediately regretted.
Look up the RUSA results for RUSA #8001.
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Look up the RUSA results for RUSA #8001.
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I'd say that she "self-qualified"!
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How do you figure?
don't most double centuries have sag support? There obviously isn't a whole lot of difference between a brevet and a double century other than the level of support
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BasicJim, just go ride a bunch. If you live where it's hilly, go ride hills.
The big question is not so much "can it be done" but "can it be done in a reasonable time while enjoying the experience". The more you're able to get out and ride, the easier it'll be.
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as far as the original question goes, I find the difference between being able to go 100 miles and 300k is eating. As long as I eat I do fine. I have also been known to ride too hard sometimes, but that generally doesn't stop me from finishing. The only problem for me is cramping, when I'm not in good enough shape I cramp a lot. For me, enduralites fix that problem pretty well
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don't most double centuries have sag support? There obviously isn't a whole lot of difference between a brevet and a double century other than the level of support
99% of support at double centuries occurs at checkpoints, same as with brevets. But yes, technically there is additional roving support that is not available at brevets.
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support at checkpoints is the exception rather than the rule on brevets. Usually offered only if there is some good reason for it.
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support at checkpoints is the exception rather than the rule on brevets. Usually offered only if there is some good reason for it.
Define "support". Support as in "getting more food and water" occurs at checkpoints on brevets all the time, the only fundamental difference is that, on a brevet, you pay for it as you go, on a century, you pre-pay for the whole thing.
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Look up the RUSA results for RUSA #8001.
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Now look up her UMCA results.

Maria and her family are excellent riders and good people. She trying to raise $1M for brain cancer in conjunction with RAAM.

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Look up the RUSA results for RUSA #8001.
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I'd say that she "self-qualified"!
Ha! Point taken. My mindset when I posed my question totally discounted the fact that there are other long distance events aside from RUSA brevets. I was originally wondering what it would be like if someone off the street who had not rode much at all were to ride a 1200K event.
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