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mander 09-03-13 01:38 PM

There are 57mm reach road bikes out there... with the caliper reach close to maxed out bikes @ this spec will fit 28's with fenders, or 33's without. The problem is that this often isn't mentioned in bike marketing, so you have to do some digging to find this kind of bike.

I got a Brodie Remo this year that's really a nice frameset... nimble, quick handling road geometry with 57mm reach brakes so you can fit big tires and fenders. The build you get stock is fairly meh, but you can hang your own parts on the frameset to build a very nice distance bike.

As road discs get more popular I think it'll get easier to find capable road bikes---like, not cx bikes or especially heavy commuter frames--- that fit big tires and fenders.

dwmckee 09-05-13 09:32 PM

I bought a late 80's Bob Jackson touring bike with 6 speed Campy components on it. My intention was to toss out all of the components and build a new bike from the frame up. But I rode it first and IT WAS WONDERFUL just as is. I put fenders on it and now it is my go to bike for distance rides, rain rides, and jaunts to the store. It looks like crap so no one steals it, but it rides like a dream. I finally put index shifters on it and upped it to 7-speeds and now you cannot pry me off of it. I loaned it to a friend and now he loves it more than his $2500 carbon machine. I bought it for $510 and put about $125 in upgrades in it. I never would have thought this old bike would ride so well and be so darned comfortable. The hubs roll better than many cartridge hubs and I can ride it all day comfortably. Beautiful handling too.

dwmckee 09-07-13 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Homeyba (Post 16013074)
If I were going to buy a steel frame that's not a boat anchor I'd look at something like a Pegoretti Love #3 . You can easily build one of these up under 15lbs. For randoneuring under 18lbs would be a piece of cake. That's what my Colnago weighs.

Isn't the Pegoretti Love 3 made of Scanadium which is an aluminum alloy, and about $5k for a frameset alone? Nice bike regardless though...

Bandera 09-07-13 10:40 AM

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Or is this something that needs to be custom?

A bespoke frame from a classic British builder built to one's own spec from tube choice on up is not a "need" but one would have no compromises. I'm fond of Mercian, an 853 Audax would do nicely IMHO.

http://www.merciancycles.co.uk/

"Mercian Cycles began in Derby in 1946 and are still building bespoke lightweight steel frames, by hand, using traditional frame-building methods with one craftsman building each frame from start to finish. Custom built made-to-measure frames."

-Bandera

Homeyba 09-07-13 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dwmckee (Post 16040242)
Isn't the Pegoretti Love 3 made of Scanadium which is an aluminum alloy, and about $5k for a frameset alone? Nice bike regardless though...

Sure is, I brain farted on that one. Thanks for pointing that out. Pegoretti makes absolutely fabulous bikes, and no, they are not cheap. Like most things, you get what you pay for. For steel it'd be the Marcelo or even a Luigino but it's a two year wait for those. They are only $4,900.00, a steel. pun intended.;)

dwmckee 09-07-13 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeyba (Post 16040714)
Sure is, I brain farted on that one. Thanks for pointing that out. Pegoretti makes absolutely fabulous bikes, and no, they are not cheap. Like most things, you get what you pay for. For steel it'd be the Marcelo or even a Luigino but it's a two year wait for those. They are only $4,900.00, a steel. pun intended.;)

Yeah, either way the Pegorettis are very nice. Out of my pricing right now, however. BTW, there is a nice looking used one on eBay right now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261277736755...84.m1438.l2649 for $3Gs.

I just finished building a custom Co-Motion Cascadia. I was a little surprised that all up it wound up over 25 pounds all up. It is a touring bike, so heavier, but I also have plans to use it as my 200k bike. I tried to have one good do it all bike and of course wound up with compromises doing it.

Myosmith 09-07-13 06:28 PM

I purchased a Motobecane Gran Premio which has a butted 520 chrome moly frame and a carbon fiber fork. I've got 25mm tires on it and the clearance is adequate. You might be able to get 28s on there but it'll be tight. I rode it on a couple of charity centuries and a lot of training and group rides of various lengths and it is extremely comfortable. I swapped the saddle for a Specialized Avatar (a personal favorite from the bike I was replacing) and wasn't fond of the handlebars which I swapped for a Bontrager bar that also came off the bike I was replacing. The Motobecame has 105 brifters and derailleurs but comes with an FSA crankset and Tektro brakes. Not 100% 105 but I have to say the components it has perform admirably. I wouldn't hesitate to take the Gran Premio on a multi-day several hundred mile ride.

I've got an old Trek 700 as my touring setup right now, but it is fairly heavy (about a half pound more than a Long Haul Trucker with similar equipment). For a touring bike in steel, I'd look at the Trek 520.

Rider_X 06-09-15 03:27 PM

Max fender size on soma ES
 
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Originally Posted by pexio (Post 16001510)
Soma's and Surly's were mentioned upthread. I have a Soma ES which is their road-sport frame. My size 60cm frame weighs 2109 grams (4.65 lb). The IRD Mosaic 57 carbon fork which is often sold with the ES weighs 536 gr (1.18 lb). Together they retail for $650 but can be purchased online for significantly less. I built my ES up with a mix of old, new, and NOS parts including a fairly light wheelset and, as equipped below with Honjos, weighs 20.25 lbs. Tire clearance is 28mm w/fenders, 32mm without. I'm in for much, much less than the OP's budgeted $2500.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7345/8...26b38124_c.jpg

I currently own a Soma ES with a steel fork and can confirm it is indeed fast (I often prefer it to my race road bike).

Pexio I am curious about your experience with the IRD carbon fork for the ES. I am currently running 35mm aluminum fenders and was thinking about moving up to 40mm fenders so I could fit 28mm-32mm tires. I noticed that Soma lists the IRD fork as having slightly less clearance. I assume this is vertical rather than horizontal clearance.

Anyway, what size fender are you running to clear 28mm tires on your IRD carbon fork. Do you have any idea about the max fender size you can run on that fork?

Thanks!

pexio 06-09-15 03:54 PM

Rider_X,
The fenders in the pic are 35mm Honjo's which are marginal at best with 28's. I doubt seriously whether you'd be able to put anything bigger on with the IRD fork. The clearance is limited both vertically and horizontally. As a matter of fact since that pic was taken, I swapped over to the matching steel Soma fork so that I could run 32's with 45mm fenders - better ride and spray protection!

trailangel 06-10-15 09:30 PM

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I currently own a Soma ES with a steel fork and can confirm it is indeed fast (I often prefer it to my race road bike).

Pexio I am curious about your experience with the IRD carbon fork for the ES. I am currently running 35mm aluminum fenders and was thinking about moving up to 40mm fenders so I could fit 28mm-32mm tires. I noticed that Soma lists the IRD fork as having slightly less clearance. I assume this is vertical rather than horizontal clearance.

Anyway, what size fender are you running to clear 28mm tires on your IRD carbon fork. Do you have any idea about the max fender size you can run on that fork?

Thanks!

You show ES, I show mine. I don't think you can go larger than 28mm tire and smallest fender on the 57 Mosaic fork. It's tight.
Carbon fork rides good and is light.. might be stiff, never used a steel fork on this frame so I cannot compare.


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