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perspiration 10-02-13 03:43 PM

serious "man pain" near the end of a long ride (may be tmi)
 
This Sunday I took a long-for-me (88mi) trip along the I&M canal in Illinois. I was exhausted by the end, but probably could have pressed on farther if it weren't for strong testicular pain I was having for the last 10 or so miles. It was only on the right side, but it seemed to just creep in gradually.

The I&M is gets really rough and gravelly for the last 50 miles or so I was on it. I'm wondering if maybe it was just a long period of repeated stress that caused the pain to develop, or maybe in my tiredness I started sitting on it, or cutting off circulation over time, or who knows. All I know is I want to keep doing long rides and I never want it to happen again!

anyone else have experience in this matter?

unterhausen 10-02-13 04:18 PM

I ride on rough roads all the time and don't have any such issues. I think you need to figure out your fit a little better. Numbness is much more common than pain.

bknaus 10-03-13 04:33 PM

Not to get too much detail, but was the pain numb/tingling from blood flow problems or more like you got hit in the nuts lightly a bunch of times with a small hammer? Both can be fit problems, I also know I find just remembering to stand up right after I drink water every 20-30 mins and let everything "breathe" can make a night and day difference...

phoebeisis 10-03-13 05:35 PM

pain numb/tingling from blood flow problems or more like you got hit in the nuts lightly a bunch of times with a small hammer? Both can be fit problems, I also know I find just remembering to stand up right after I drink

Wow- "hit in the nuts-LIGHTLY- a bunch of times with a SMAll HAMMER?" Classic-

I just read this too my wife-we both split a gut laughing.
You are ALL CRAZY-certifiable! ...Most folks would be put off 88 mile rides.....but I understand it....
On a more serious note-your perineum wasn't designed to be weight bearing
You are crushing compressing nerves arteries veins and the tube that passes urine-
possible the artery that supplies your testicle was "kinked twisted" a bit(slightly different from just compression-more positioning and too much time in that position) take knaus's advice-give the "guys" a breather-reposition unkink

unterhausen 10-03-13 05:48 PM

I used to have more trouble with my perineum when I was out of shape, and the problems would have fairly early onset in my rides. Of course, different people are put together differently.

As far as the crotch getting hammered, that does happen on a lot of the gravel roads around here because our terrain is pretty rocky. Those blows don't seem to have much more than a very short-term effect on me though.

Cyril 10-03-13 07:18 PM

Are you wearing cycling specific shorts?
If not, inadequate support could be the cause of your ills.

perspiration 10-03-13 08:27 PM

I am wearing cycling shorts, but you're all probably right about the fit issue. Seems like 90% of the time, it's a fit issue :) It was definitely more of the precisely-placed-mallet type of pain, not numbness. I've never been able to get the tilt of my seat quite right.......

Homeyba 10-03-13 09:55 PM

I'd go see someone who can help you with your fit. The onyl time I've heard of something similar to what you are describing is a guy who had his seat way to high and was rocking back and forth across it. You also might want to ask your Dr. Sometimes sensitivity in that area can be caused by health issues.

black771 10-04-13 07:11 PM

Sorry if this sounds insentitive, but I have to be pretty precise where my 'baggage' is located in my shorts when I ride. Sometimes I have to pull it forward, sometimes backwards. I am not comfortable hoping they are in the right position. I reach right in and make sure they are in the right place. Something to consider...

jon c. 10-04-13 08:39 PM

I had a similar pain a few weeks ago when my body shifted sharply to the left as I avoided a darting squirrel. I think I sort of smashed the sensitive orb between my thigh and the seat. Fortunately, I was only a couple miles from home at the time. I rode gingerly.

sugarbot 10-05-13 12:43 PM

I tend to have a problem with going numb, if this is a fitting problem - I assume it's with the saddle - how should I change it?

delcrossv 10-05-13 02:12 PM

Quote:

pain numb/tingling from blood flow problems or more like you got hit in the nuts lightly a bunch of times with a small hammer?
Geez. The things you guys put up with. Hats off to 'ya.

I just avoid the whole issue:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...atejuly005.jpg

2manybikes 10-05-13 02:25 PM

Try lowering the pressure in your tires by 10 lbs. Some tires can go 20 lbs. low. My Continentals have a maximum of 120 lbs. They say 20% low is OK. That is 96 lbs. That's usually what I run. It makes a big difference in the feel of the seat. I can ride 100 miles on 70 lbs. with no problems I've done 60 lbs. 23 mm tires, I don't hit things. In some situations 5 lbs can make a difference. Some riders need the high pressure to prevent pinch flats when Hitting things. I'm also only 140 lbs. That helps too.

Road Fan 10-13-13 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarbot (Post 16135154)
I tend to have a problem with going numb, if this is a fitting problem - I assume it's with the saddle - how should I change it?

Excess pressure in the perineal area - there are nerves and blood vessels there that can become compressed. You need a saddle or a fitting that relieves this pressure.

Steamer 10-13-13 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by delcrossv (Post 16135343)
Geez. The things you guys put up with. Hats off to 'ya.

I just avoid the whole issue:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...atejuly005.jpg

Fran - since I know your aren't a troll, I will just simply point out that this kind of advice is considered completely OT on this forum.

phoebeisis 10-13-13 01:07 PM

Sit offset-so you are sitting on one thigh then the other when that happens.
I tilt my seat nose waaaay down
have a gigantic soft seat
and it has a cut out
But sometimes I sit offset-so I'm literally sitting on my thigh instead of my perineum
Granted you have to slightly lower your seat post-and your "stroke" will be a bit lopsided
but it beats "damage" and pain to a delicate area.
Don't put weight on your perineum-asking from problems-
granted you are faster sitting that way... but...

kingsqueak 10-13-13 01:19 PM

Just consider that very slight tilt adjustments can make all the difference depending on your saddle and often you can't feel the change until you are on the saddle for quite a while v

A nearly imperceptible change will matter in time. I kept making immediately noticeable changes and was ping-ponging between extremes of nose up pressure and sliding off the saddle. My seat height was too high for one, then I finally got the saddle tilt worked out. Now I have no trouble and ride a pretty plank like Phenom saddle.

unterhausen 10-13-13 01:19 PM

Use a Fizik Aliante, and I'm happier when it is just a little nose-down. Also keeps me from scooting back so much, which is a weakness I have. Can't really remember the last time I had numbness.

delcrossv 10-14-13 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steamer (Post 16157240)
Fran - since I know your aren't a troll, I will just simply point out that this kind of advice is considered completely OT on this forum.

Fair 'nuf. Just couldn't resist after the tapped on the nuts with a hammer comment. :D

chandltp 10-14-13 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steamer (Post 16157240)
Fran - since I know your aren't a troll, I will just simply point out that this kind of advice is considered completely OT on this forum.

Are you referring specifically to the long distance sub-forum, or BikeForums in general? Also, can you elaborate why recommending someone try a recumbent is off topic when someone asks about a problem that a recumbent will solve?

Steamer 10-14-13 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chandltp (Post 16159724)
Are you referring specifically to the long distance sub-forum, or BikeForums in general? Also, can you elaborate why recommending someone try a recumbent is off topic when someone asks about a problem that a recumbent will solve?

I was referring to this sub-forum.

I personally don't think it is off topic, but I know that, in the opinion of the vast majority of people who read this sub forum, it is basically considered an absurd suggestion / non-option, and therefore is essentially OT. Once I suggested that it was a viable aternative for addressing comfort issues, and I was informed of the error of my ways. :)

10 Wheels 10-14-13 11:13 AM

Found these to be the perfect saddle for me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FIZIK-ALIANT...item2a32a6a625

delcrossv 10-14-13 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steamer (Post 16159791)
I was referring to this sub-forum.

I personally don't think it is off topic, but I know that, in the opinion of the vast majority of people who read this sub forum, it is basically considered an absurd suggestion / non-option, and therefore is essentially OT. Once I suggested that it was a viable aternative for addressing comfort issues, and I was informed of the error of my ways. :)

Well, I'm a "live and let live" kinda guy, so, whatever works for 'ya. RUSA takes this line, who am I to disagree?

unterhausen 10-14-13 05:43 PM

I think that people just starting riding at an advanced age should take the possibility of going with a 'bent seriously. If it meant the difference between not riding and riding, I would definitely choose a 'bent without hesitation. However, I don't think suggesting a 'bent to people that have asked for help in this thread is particularly helpful. From what I have seen in this sort of discussion, the 'bent riders tend to emphasize the negatives of DF riding and minimize the problems with riding a 'bent under the same conditions. Steamer is one of the few 'bent riders that rides under road conditions as described by the OP because a 'bent doesn't really solve a lot of those issues. If your crotch is going to be hammered on a DF, you can almost always stand and avoid most of the blow. On a 'bent, you get hammered every time.

Road Fan 10-14-13 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingsqueak (Post 16157389)
Just consider that very slight tilt adjustments can make all the difference depending on your saddle and often you can't feel the change until you are on the saddle for quite a while v

A nearly imperceptible change will matter in time. I kept making immediately noticeable changes and was ping-ponging between extremes of nose up pressure and sliding off the saddle. My seat height was too high for one, then I finally got the saddle tilt worked out. Now I have no trouble and ride a pretty plank like Phenom saddle.

I need to do this. In the other saddle thread I've been playing with angle on leather saddles using single-bolt seat posts, but I know I can make much finer adjustments with two-bolt micro-adjusting types like vintage Campy, Thompson set-back, and vintage American Classic. That's my next move - ditch the single-bolt posts!


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