I did my first fg century today. I ride a San Marcos Rolls and have ridden Rolls most of 20 years of riding. I have tried Brooks and didn't care for them. B17N probably would have worked for me. Pro was too hard and sloped to the front causing me to slide forward and put pressure on my arms. While the Rolls isn't bad for long rides I keep thinking there may be a saddle more comfortable for the sit bones. I have been reviewing the Berthoud, Rivet and Anatomica. I have used the search engine and read many posting in the Forum. The Berthoud is hard and has short rails like the Brooks, but it is great looking and the Ti model is relative light. the Rivet Independence looks interesting but don't know if this is an exercise in patience to break in. The Anatomica Trueleather maybe the X model , I only weigh 140, some riders say doesn't need a break in period but many experience sagging issues. I generally don't get numbness issues. The appeal of the cut out is not to avoid numbness but allow the sit bones to move independently. I move from back of the saddle while climbing to nose of saddle when hammering in the drops-I ride with geared riders some. I don't want to have to tilt the nose of the saddle up as many do with Brooks because I move forward on the saddle in the drops. Likewise a Anatomica won't work if it becomes sunken in the middle and i can't move forward on the saddle to get in the drops. I think I like saddles that are rounded in the tail side to side but flat tail to nose-sound like a Rolls! Basically looking for sit bone comfort. I have a badly damaged ACL in my right knee and when riding the Brooks 17N it was obvious the right sit bone was substantially more forward towards the nose then the left and deeper impression in the leather. Of course it is the right one that is more sore after a long ride. I fully realize everyone is different and what works for one person doesn't for another and was interested in comparisons among the saddles mentioned in light of the facts set forth above. Berthoud and Rivet can be returned for full refund of purchase price with a six month (rivet is one year if purchased from owner) not sure about the Anatomica-30 days if purchased from the company which may be too short a period to determine if it's a keeper.