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    Machka, I agree with you and I don't think it's that easy to say what does or doesn't cause cramps. Why do I have night cramps when I take a day off when I'm in really good shape? That happens like clockwork. Why do I have thumb cramps? A top American woman cyclocross racer had to take part of a season off recently when she couldn't get rid of cramps, that wasn't likely an overuse problem. The other examples aren't overuse issues. I suffer badly from overuse cramps in the spring, usually not later in the year. The overuse cramps are easy to diagnose and fix, ride more. Others, you are lucky if you find something that works. The nice thing is that a lot of things that work, probably because cramps are some weird nervous system thing that doesn't really have a purpose in sustaining human life.
    Randonneuring -- it's touring for people that aren't smart enough to stop for the night.
    It's a wonderful sport when you can make up for a lack of ability with a lack of sleep

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    I routinely take CoQ10 or Ubiquinol and Magnesium Taurate and other supplements. I will take on electolytes tablets and extra salt depending upon the distance, temperature, and my proclivity to sweat like a pig depending upon fitness level. If it is a placebo effect, I'll take it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    So ... if cramping is not caused by those things, why then do I get cramps in my feet on days when I'm dehydrated?

    I'll have had a busy day at work, and will have forgotten to drink during the day, then I'll do something as strenuous as walking through a grocery store, and my feet will cramp.

    Or I'll be out for a casual 1-hour ride and will have forgotten my water bottle at home ... after all, it's only a short ride and not at anything like an intense pace ... and toward the end of the ride, my feet will cramp.


    I was getting feet cramps fairly regularly for a while, and then I'd be OK for a few days, and then back to feet cramps, so I analysed my diet ... and consistently ... my feet cramped on days when I was dehydrated, and were OK on days when I drank enough.
    There are many unanswered questions. Why is the moon so beautiful? Why do idiopathic cramps respond to different treatments? Why are my wife's leg cramps much better if she sleeps with a bar of soap in the bed? Why does rubbing a cramp with soap make it go away? Why can she lie in bed reading for an hour just fine and then cramp as soon as I come to bed?

    I'm sure you are familiar with the literature. Med tent investigations and randomized controlled trials have shown no correlation between cramps and the things I mentioned. My current thinking is that idiopathic lower extremity cramps may have something to do with circulation or spinal positioning. Or maybe your feet sweat more when you are well hydrated and there's a cooling effect with sweaty feet. I doubt that a one hour ride is long enough to cause clinically noticeable dehydration. Who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    thank goodness for effective placebos. Wait, isn't the definition of a placebo that it isn't effective?
    No, the problem with placebos is that they are effective: 10 Crazy Facts About the Placebo Effect - Listverse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
    There are many unanswered questions. Why is the moon so beautiful? Why do idiopathic cramps respond to different treatments? Why are my wife's leg cramps much better if she sleeps with a bar of soap in the bed? Why does rubbing a cramp with soap make it go away? Why can she lie in bed reading for an hour just fine and then cramp as soon as I come to bed?

    I'm sure you are familiar with the literature. Med tent investigations and randomized controlled trials have shown no correlation between cramps and the things I mentioned. My current thinking is that idiopathic lower extremity cramps may have something to do with circulation or spinal positioning. Or maybe your feet sweat more when you are well hydrated and there's a cooling effect with sweaty feet. I doubt that a one hour ride is long enough to cause clinically noticeable dehydration. Who knows?
    To clarify, I meant that if I did not drink enough during the day, and then went for a 1-hour ride in the evening without my bottle ... my feet cramp.

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    Small sip of gatoraid every 25km sorts out cramps for me. Pokari sweat also works great. Better to deal with it the moment you feel the precramp muscle stiffness. Goes.away in an instant. If you cramp up it takes longer.

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