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Old 07-14-14, 10:42 PM   #1
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Ready for a double?

I haven't been cycling that long. 2-3 years on a mountain bike before adding a road bike this last year and a half. While MTBing I was more into 20-30 mile rides with 2-4k of climbing and singletrack. On the road I have done one organized century, a few solo centuries and most recently the Markleeville Death Ride. The Death Ride is a 130 mile ride with 15,000' of climbing in the eastern California Sierras. I came through it well. I was tired but not overly so. I had a moving time of 9:30 with a total time of 10:30.

I was thinking about trying the Mt. Tam double century in a few weeks which is 200 miles and 15,000'. Instead of being at an average elevation of 7,000', it's near sea level. Since additional training is out of the question, does anyone think I should give it a shot or will I just get a smack down? What are the things I should be worried about making the jump from 130 to 200 miles? For those who have made the transition to being an endurance rider, what sage advice can you share?

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Old 07-14-14, 11:00 PM   #2
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How were you at the end of 130 miles? Out of gas and dehydrated, or feeling okay?

I'd say you have the fitness, it's more about the know-how to keep yourself fueled and hydrated, knowing how to ride within your abilities, and having your bike fit sorted out so no issues come up.

Did I mention fueling and hydration?
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I say give it a shot, but it's going to be tough. It's not an easy double or a good first double. In part it depends on how good a climber you are. (Not familiar with Death Ride so I'm not sure where 10:30 total time puts you. Have you done Mt Diablo, if so, what's your time on south side?) You should expect spending 15-16 hours, possibly longer, and the last third will be spent cursing yourself for signing up.
Make sure to do maintain steady high mileage up to the week of the event, do carb loading, eat a breakfast on the morning of the double.
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I say go for it. The extra miles in a double are mostly mental, if you rode the Death Ride in 10:30 you should finish Mt Tam Double in daylight. When I finished the Death Ride, I could not imagine riding another 70 miles and 3 mountain passes, yet the next year had a great time riding Alta Alpina Challenge.
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Ya, I'm going to give it a shot. I want to see if I have what it takes to get a Triple Crown next year. Seems like it'd be a fun goal.
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Ya, I'm going to give it a shot. I want to see if I have what it takes to get a Triple Crown next year. Seems like it'd be a fun goal.
Having just made a similar jump myself, I can second that the main issues are nutrition and hydration.

If you can ride 130, you can ride 200; you just have to eat and drink sufficiently.
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I say give it a shot, but it's going to be tough. It's not an easy double or a good first double. In part it depends on how good a climber you are. (Not familiar with Death Ride so I'm not sure where 10:30 total time puts you. Have you done Mt Diablo, if so, what's your time on south side?) You should expect spending 15-16 hours, possibly longer, and the last third will be spent cursing yourself for signing up.
Make sure to do maintain steady high mileage up to the week of the event, do carb loading, eat a breakfast on the morning of the double.
I agree, that sounds like a brutal first double. My first 400km brevet was an out-and-back with a total of 450m(!!!) elevation gain. Something along those lines seems more in line with progressing into deep ride territory. A 5000m climbing day is pretty epic.

Also, totally unrelated, but hamster, how do you include your velo viewer sig? Do I not have the BB IMG or URL permissions because I'm so noob here? Or is there a trick?

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I agree, that sounds like a brutal first double. My first 400km brevet was an out-and-back with a total of 450m(!!!) elevation gain. Something along those lines seems more in line with progressing into deep ride territory. A 5000m climbing day is pretty epic.

Also, totally unrelated, but hamster, how do you include your velo viewer sig? Do I not have the BB IMG or URL permissions because I'm so noob here? Or is there a trick?
In Veloviewer there is a "Signature Image" tab. It'll give you options on what you want on your signature. They also provide an URL to add to your signature here. To add your signature on here, go to Settings and then Edit Signature.

Seems like eat and drink is the key. Since it's almost beer:30, I might have to start practicing now.

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Edit. It seems that it doesn't let you add an image to your signature. I think the function is part of the subscription package.

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Yeah, not to derail the thread but I'm aware of the signature image tab in vv.

However, on BF within the settings of my signature permissions, it seems like image incorporation through URL or BB is not available to me.

And to contribute something more, I say drink and drink is the key!! As for the sugars, I usually have a 600ml bottle of strong, undiluted juice in a jersey pocket and ~100g of dates and a few mini-packets of Skittles or Haribos. As long as water is unlimited, that'll always get me to 300km. However, Probably would have to double that to get 300km with 5000m climbing.
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Yeah, not to derail the thread but I'm aware of the signature image tab in vv.

However, on BF within the settings of my signature permissions, it seems like image incorporation through URL or BB is not available to me.

And to contribute something more, I say drink and drink is the key!! As for the sugars, I usually have a 600ml bottle of strong, undiluted juice in a jersey pocket and ~100g of dates and a few mini-packets of Skittles or Haribos. As long as water is unlimited, that'll always get me to 300km. However, Probably would have to double that to get 300km with 5000m climbing.
Ya, I edited my post. You have to pay to play. It's a paid feature. Or you can insert image everytime you make a post. lol

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That didn't work. Too small. Hmmmmm.
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Haha! Killer... $12 USD to show a bunch of cycling strangers how average I am. What a world, what a world. Thanks, man.

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Old 07-17-14, 02:10 AM   #14
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Ya, I'm going to give it a shot. I want to see if I have what it takes to get a Triple Crown next year. Seems like it'd be a fun goal.
If you pull off Mt Tam, there's no reason why you can't get a Triple Crown this year. White Mountain is easier (especially the lowland version), and, assuming you're in SFBA, you have a choice of three others within a 4 to 5 hour drive. The biggest area of concern would be weather, since, by late September and early October, Bass Lake Double and particularly Knoxville Double have nontrivial chance of rain.

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I'd say that $12 is to support the forum, and the signature is just a freebie.
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I'd say that $12 is to support the forum, and the signature is just a freebie.
No, and I agree completely. It was still a funny joke. At least, to me.
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