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    really difficult 200k course, worth getting it approved?

    I have a course with 4 major climbs, 3 shorter climbs that will get your attention and 9700 feet of climbing. I'm not sure I can do it in RUSA's time limit, probably not before I'm done with my yearly 600k. I'm a little conflicted about going through all the bother of getting it approved as a permanent. Probably will though LINK

    I just got the easiest perm in the Northeast U.S. approved, so I need to restore balance to the universe MAP
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    Randonneuring -- it's touring for people that aren't smart enough to stop for the night.
    It's a wonderful sport when you can make up for a lack of ability with a lack of sleep

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    Depends on if there are people interested in riding it. In our region we have at least a dozen permanents with over 12,000 feet elevation gain, with one topping out at 16,500, and while they may not be the most popular, they are all being used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post

    I just got the easiest perm in the Northeast U.S. approved, so I need to restore balance to the universe MAP
    did GK just do this ride over the weekend? looks like a nice and scenic ride...i guess it's not hard being in central PA.

    as for the hard ride, why not?

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    Those are some daunting numbers, I'm probably over-thinking this. I'm told it will not be my most difficult perm. I'm not sure if I can talk too many people into riding it, but most perms are predominantly ridden by their owners and I plan on riding it at least once a year. I am hoping that my efforts will get more riders into randonneuring in Central Pennsylvania.

    Quote Originally Posted by seajaye View Post
    did GK just do this ride over the weekend? looks like a nice and scenic ride...i guess it's not hard being in central PA.

    as for the hard ride, why not?
    No, he did Splendid Isolation, my gravel road perm. http://ridewithgps.com/routes/3504827

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    that looks more difficult than the one you're proposing! i haven't really gotten into the "gravel grinding" thing (i skipped out on the PA/NJ 'classics' rides to do brevets instead), but a gravel 200k does sound appealing.

    i guess PA is spoiled by having two clubs, east and west. however, you're right, central PA is somewhat neglected, being significantly far from either club (not that distance really matters to certain people )

    if it'll give you that much more motivation to kick your own butt, then i say full steam ahead.

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    If you'll ride it, or think anyone else will, go for it.

    Some of the more popular routes with some of our riders are the hillier ones, just depends on what you're interested in.
    "be careful this rando stuff is addictive and dan's the 'pusher'."

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    I'm bracketing Happy Valley with perms. The one in the OP goes south, Happy Buffalo goes north, and I have one that goes north first and then south, which I planned so it should be doable in the winter. I stole the idea for a 300k from Tom R's Endless Mountains route.
    It's tough to go 100k west or east in an interesting way, so I'm stumped on that for right now. And I'm not sure I want to go further than 300k, I have thought about doing 400k and 600k, but I'm not sure. That's a lot of work and I don't really have courses in mind yet.
    I probably will do a couple of 100k routes first.

    Quote Originally Posted by StephenH View Post
    Some of the more popular routes with some of our riders are the hillier ones, just depends on what you're interested in.
    I like hills, I just am not any good at climbing them. It will be interesting to see if I can get anyone to ride a difficult course when there are easier ones to ride.
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    Steep courses are the most fun. If I want easy I can ride to work.

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    Def. worth submitting. The first perm I submitted for Ohio had a similar amount of climbing. It's been ridden a number of times, and the RBA there has run that route as a brevet, too.

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    Thanks for the input, I've been going crazy with route designs.

    on a slightly different note, is it an immutable law that all routes end up either 2% short or 20 miles longer than desired?

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    As long as you don't go around telling people it's a walk in the park suitable for a beginner on a fixed gear, what's the problem? If someone doesn't want to ride a route like that, you aren't making them. It's not even like it's a brevet series that's their only chance of qualifying for PBP without driving a long distance or whatever. Give them an accurate description of the ride, and they can ride it or not.
    I suspect you'll get occasional takers, anyway, if people ride a lot of perms where you are. But if they don't, the only way to get more of them to do it is by having more to offer.

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