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Old 06-19-14, 02:30 PM   #1
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Asking for feedback about my new bike lock invention

Hey guys, my name's Liang I'm a college student and cyclist at USC. I've had three bikes stolen while at USC and it really pissed me off so now I'm doing something about it.

I've created a lock that specifically secures the wheels of a bike. It works by replacing the hex nuts or quick release skewers holding a bike in place. It's designed so none of the common theft tools (i.e. wrenches, vice grips, bolt cutters, flamethrowers, that laser *** from Goldeneye, etc.) can get through it or get any leverage on it.

The nut can only be tightened / loosened with the specific wrench that comes in each package. There are multiple variations of these nut:wrench combinations.

I'd love to get some feedback from you guys on the product, whether or not you'd use it, and any advice you have (from business/marketing ideas to product improvements).

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Old 06-19-14, 02:32 PM   #2
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New Nut that Protects our wheels from Being Stolen

Hey guys, my name's Liang I'm a college student and cyclist at USC. I've had three bikes stolen while at USC and it really pissed me off so now I'm doing something about it.

I've created a lock that specifically secures the wheels of a bike. It works by replacing the hex nuts or quick release skewers holding a bike in place. It's designed so none of the common theft tools (i.e. wrenches, vice grips, bolt cutters, flamethrowers, that laser *** from Goldeneye, etc.) can get through it or get any leverage on it.

The nut can only be tightened / loosened with the specific wrench that comes in each package. There are multiple variations of these nut:wrench combinations.

I'd love to get some feedback from you guys on the product, whether or not you'd use it, and any advice you have (from business/marketing ideas to product improvements).

Cheers,
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Old 06-19-14, 02:40 PM   #3
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Can't see the principal difference between those and the 5-sized Allen key sets already available. And why wouldn't pliers work on those?
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Old 06-19-14, 02:43 PM   #4
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Looks nice enough. But can you cite some advantage that your design would have over Pinhead's?
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Old 06-19-14, 03:10 PM   #5
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I don't see the point - you say you've had three bikes stolen but this wouldn't have prevented that.

Also seems like a big pain in the arse to use.

A properly locked bike won't have wheels that are pilfer-able anyway.
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Old 06-19-14, 03:25 PM   #6
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Looks nice enough. But can you cite some advantage that your design would have over Pinhead's?
Presumably a lot cheaper?

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I don't see the point - you say you've had three bikes stolen but this wouldn't have prevented that.

Also seems like a big pain in the arse to use.

A properly locked bike won't have wheels that are pilfer-able anyway.
In a college setting, presumably with lots of bikes floating around, the goal is to not be the easiest bike to steal. With these kind of nuts, it's hard to simply remove the wheels so a "properly locked" bike is easier to achieve if the goal is merely a "sufficiently locked" bike.

The biggest problem I see is that if these sell enough, the removal tool would simply become part of a good bike thief's tool set.
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Old 06-19-14, 03:48 PM   #7
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What does it do that Pitlock doesn't?
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Old 06-19-14, 03:52 PM   #8
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I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea--but I'm assuming you're aware that there are similar products out there. Most of them are pretty pricey, though, so if you could beat them on price you might have a winner.
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Old 06-19-14, 04:04 PM   #9
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I need security bolts for my vehicle mounted bike carrier. The bike can be locked to the carrier, the carrier support to the receiver on the vehicle, but the bolts that hold the carrier to the carrier support are susceptible to being removed, allowing the bike and the carrier to be carried off.
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Old 06-19-14, 05:09 PM   #10
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Thieves apparently pride themselves on their ingenuity. Watch the video on u-tube titled "steal this bike". It's hard to defeat the guy who arrives with an electric disc die grinder and a way to power it. In the video, the guy was freeing his own bike (for demonstration purposes), but the cops who drove right on by didn't know that. I'm not so sure just locking the axle nut to the frame will help a lot.
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Old 06-19-14, 05:20 PM   #11
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As it's been said, locking nuts don't stop a bike from being stolen. Locking up the bike properly with two locks pretty much does. Thieves don't want to work hard. Or they'd have jobs like the rest of us.
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Old 06-19-14, 05:37 PM   #12
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I guess the main differences with what I’m going for vs. existing skewer locks / wheel locks are:

1) More security –we went to home depot and bought pretty much every theft tool, nothing was able to get any leverage in opening the nut. Compared to competitors (i.e. Pinhead) which have vulnerabilities to certain tools:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90J9_BIEInI
There’s also a bunch of variations so a thief would need to carry around a lot of keys to steal just a wheel

2) Lower price point than some other skewer locks (i.e. Pitlock is $70+ for just one skewer). This would be $45 for front and back skewers. For a set of skewers that have variations, I haven’t really found anything lower than this.

3) We designed the engineering of the cutouts to deter theft while still looking pretty awesome in my opinion… Cus who doesn’t like a sexy bike

4) Just to be clear, you put these on once and never touch them again. They essentially replace the need for a second lock used to secure your front tire. You absolutely still need a U-Lock to prevent the frame from being stolen.
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Old 06-19-14, 06:06 PM   #13
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I guess the main differences with what I’m going for vs. existing skewer locks / wheel locks are:

1) More security –we went to home depot and bought pretty much every theft tool, nothing was able to get any leverage in opening the nut. Compared to competitors (i.e. Pinhead) which have vulnerabilities to certain tools:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90J9_BIEInI
There’s also a bunch of variations so a thief would need to carry around a lot of keys to steal just a wheel

2) Lower price point than some other skewer locks (i.e. Pitlock is $70+ for just one skewer). This would be $45 for front and back skewers. For a set of skewers that have variations, I haven’t really found anything lower than this.

3) We designed the engineering of the cutouts to deter theft while still looking pretty awesome in my opinion… Cus who doesn’t like a sexy bike

4) Just to be clear, you put these on once and never touch them again. They essentially replace the need for a second lock used to secure your front tire. You absolutely still need a U-Lock to prevent the frame from being stolen.
The round nut shown would only tighten with the wrench tool. How do you later remove the wheel?
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Old 06-19-14, 06:28 PM   #14
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The nut can only be tightened / loosened with the specific wrench that comes in each package.
But I agree that #4 above should be rephrased. Taken too literally it reads like once installed they're on there for good.

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Anyway, that sounds good OP. If you're saying that yours would be both better and cheaper than the alternatives, what's not to like? Though I don't suppose I would buy any anyway. At this point I have more locking cables than I can remember and I have a few U-locks so I can leave one at school, and another at work, etc. When I leave for the day, I just coil the cable and lock everything together.
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Old 06-20-14, 07:23 AM   #15
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Actually IMO this is a good invention. ANYTHING that gives bike thieves pause is enough to make them move on to another bike, not yours. Bike thieves are NOT the brightest people in the world in the first place, and anything they havent seen before or prepared to deal with will cause them to move on.
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Looks good if you can keep price down. However, it looks like a chisel and hammer could defeat it.
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Old 06-20-14, 09:48 AM   #17
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Unless each set of nuts and wrenches are made differently, like the Pinhead brand of fasteners, all a potential thief needs to do is add your wrench to their arsenal of tools, and a set of wheels protected by your nuts can be theirs. These nuts still don't prevent a bicycle from being stolen! A proper parking location and proper lock(s) are the best theft prevention of the bike or the wheels or seat.
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3) We designed the engineering of the cutouts to deter theft while still looking pretty awesome in my opinion… Cus who doesn’t like a sexy bike
I find the swirl pattern very unatractive. The wrench is too short and ugly (IMO) as well.

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I think it looks great and a good price point. I would add a little more utility to the tool, like a keyring adapter and bottle opener or even a little brass knuckle version
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Send me a nut and I'll show you how to remove it with common tools. (Someone will do that on youtube after you market it anyway.)
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I am still unclear on how this works to prevent theft of the bike. It does look attractive.

The fact that there are other similar products already in the market, however, should not be a deterrent. How many different QR skewers are there? Frame pumps? Bike computer mounts? Etc?
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. . . I would add a little more utility to the tool, like a keyring adapter and bottle opener . . .
It has a bottle opener. Hipster appeal over utility?
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Delta HubLox, Anti-Theft Skewers in Tree Fort Bikes Locking Skewers (cat1174)

Vavert Secura Locking Wheel & Seat Bolt Skewers | Merlin Cycles

It took me all of two minutes to find those two as well as every other product listed in this thread with a simple google search.

Along with all the other products that have been listed, you are entering into a market with many choices. Differentiating yourself is going to be key for survival.

You really need to focus on pricepoint and performance. What makes you better or worth more money? Many consumers are going to buy on price alone.
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It has a bottle opener. Hipster appeal over utility?
Since when are hipsters the only people in need of bottle openers?

I ain't no hipster...
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Hey guys, my name's Liang I'm a college student and cyclist at USC. I've had three bikes stolen while at USC and it really pissed me off so now I'm doing something about it.

I've created a lock that specifically secures the wheels of a bike. It works by replacing the hex nuts or quick release skewers holding a bike in place. It's designed so none of the common theft tools (i.e. wrenches, vice grips, bolt cutters, flamethrowers, that laser *** from Goldeneye, etc.) can get through it or get any leverage on it.

The nut can only be tightened / loosened with the specific wrench that comes in each package. There are multiple variations of these nut:wrench combinations.

I'd love to get some feedback from you guys on the product, whether or not you'd use it, and any advice you have (from business/marketing ideas to product improvements).

Cheers,
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Merged this thread with the one here in Feedback because a anti-theft device has nothing to do with Bicycle Mechanics, IMO.
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