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    I'm hoping that there aren't a lot of folks skipping the HC, and that we'll all be in the same boat for the CR. We'll see. I'll definitely spin in between.

    Thanks for the tips.
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    Hi, Cleave! Yes, you're right, I'm overthinking it. Everyone else has been saying the same thing, I've been glossing over it. That's me, that's what I do.

    I'll be one of those hanging on to the back for dear life - believe me. I'll probably get lapped. Hey, it's a "first race", one of those things you only have one of, and I'm going to go out and enjoy it. It will be an enormous learning experience, and that just adds to my excitement and prospect of enjoyment.

    Racer Ex, reading your very rational posts gives me great perspective on the "head game" involved in this sport. Of course one needs the physical tools, but an education is equally, if not more, important. AzT, AJ, Cleave and Hermes have always alluded to that, and you have now put it into focus for me. Thank you.

    AzT - have a good series this weekend!

    Cleave. Go out and kill those Senior Games prelims. Barb (BJ) will be there on her mountain bike to give it her best. I told her to say hi for me.
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    I went to the track this AM. It was really windy and on the drive there the flags were all horizontal. The plan was for motor pacing. I was thinking how how nice it would be if I were a race car driver. I would be on my way to get into a car to practice my skills versus facing the wind and cold.

    The aspect of the track, that I like the most, is that we work on skills as much as we work on building the engine. Skill, IMO, is the most important aspect of bike racing since it keeps the rubber side down and adds a lot of value when racing and takes time to develop.

    When i got to the track, the wind was blowing and my motor was already there. I was looking forward to his comments on the wind but he did not seem to think much of it other than it was going to be very hard. He was right.

    Going around in circles at high speed with a stiff wind is brutal. Each gust required a surge in power and a couple of times, i was blown off the motor and had to accelerate to get back on. It required a lot of concentration and leaning the bike into the cross wind sections. We ran the efforts a couple of mph less than usual. The wind gust negate the effect of the draft and the power surge in the legs is impressive.

    I tried out my new aerobars but not behind the motor. The bike was too hard to control.

    It was a great power and skills day.
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    Windy in France, too. The Paris-Nice peloton was split by crosswinds yesterday, and several GC contenders are, well, no longer contending. Was fun watching the echelons. We amateurs don't get to do that often, since it requires just a wee bit more space than a bike lane provides. Crosswinds behind a motor sounds maybe just a wee bit tooo exciting.

    I weighed in this morning at 187.6. Eat your heart out AJ, you fatty.
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    I rode in that very same wind Hermes worked out in today. It was brutal! I was going to do the Tuesday group ride, but everyone bailed on it because of the weather, so I turned it into an errands ride. It was worth it, it always is.

    I watched the end of today's Paris-Nice stage. Not terribly exciting, but it was interesting to see some of those GC guys way off the back! Levi is hanging in there really well, though. He looks very strong. What was also interesting was the apparent advent of the "super teams". They're starting to sound like stadium names.....

    Women don't talk about weight, including me, but I will say this. I'm four pounds heavier than I was two months ago, and even though I'm stronger, I don't like it.

    AzT, great! How's your power at that weight?
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    Been trying to check results from this weekend on the SCNCA website but seems to be down.
    Anyone else have problems with this?

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    I just checked it and it worked. http://www.scnca.org/
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    Yeah it works for me now. My bookmark must have been old or something . Thanks.
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    I just checked it and it worked. http://www.scnca.org/

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    AZ, I got the race report on what happened to my two teammates who went down:

    "Steve suffered a broken right collar bone, and Mark a broken left wrist, possible cracked ribs, and severe road rash."

    Mark was the torn up guy you saw being pushed up the hill. He ended up 3rd on GC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Windy in France, too. The Paris-Nice peloton was split by crosswinds yesterday, and several GC contenders are, well, no longer contending. Was fun watching the echelons. We amateurs don't get to do that often, since it requires just a wee bit more space than a bike lane provides. Crosswinds behind a motor sounds maybe just a wee bit tooo exciting.

    I weighed in this morning at 187.6. Eat your heart out AJ, you fatty.
    We had sun, rain and snow as well as wind during our 4 day riding weekend in PA. Sunday's 38 mile gravel road ride with 4,700' of climbing had Belgium weather. It was 30 degrees, snow showers and winds of 20+ mph. Oh yeah, the ride finished up with a water crossing about 300 meters from my cabin that the guy's didn't really appreciate. (I knew that if I told them about beforehand they might object)

    Ouch!!! AZTR, I'm still a 188lb fattie.
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    Got my workouts for the week from my coach and there are no fixie rides! Going down hills at 145+ rpm turned the bike into an ass hammer that I will not miss. Back on the road machine for the time being.

    ...other than the intervals on the cross bike that will be used to race the Barry Roubaix in 2 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    AzT, great! How's your power at that weight?
    Doesn't seem to adversely affect it, so long as I eat well leading up to the race.

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    AZ, I got the race report on what happened to my two teammates who went down:

    "Steve suffered a broken right collar bone, and Mark a broken left wrist, possible cracked ribs, and severe road rash."

    Mark was the torn up guy you saw being pushed up the hill. He ended up 3rd on GC.
    Damn... much worse than I thought. They hung tough afterwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    Ouch!!! AZTR, I'm still a 188lb fattie.
    But you're fast... when is your first road race?
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    I am entered in the Barry Roubaix in Michigan on the 24th. I'll be racing 74 other 55+ guys over a 36 mile gravel road course. I may race a road race, near Columbus OH, the weekend before to get some speed in my legs in preperation of the BR. Although, tonight's 2.5 hr ride with 2 hrs of solid Z3 should help get there.
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    It is great to have pro racing back on the tube. It was interesting that Wiggins was on the trainer spinning right after the uphill finish yesterday.

    AJ, Which bike are you racing in the BR?
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    The sturdy one, I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    The sturdy one, I hope.
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    Here is the course and elevation. http://connect.garmin.com/course/675400 It looks like a tough day in the saddle for a fatty.
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    I believe my Trek XO1 cyclo cross bike with Conti 34mm file tread tires is the ride ticket. I put a compact crank on it to get some top end speed and will probably take a 1/2" out of the stem height and drop the levers down for a lower road position. There is no need to have my shoulders catching air, which is the cross position needed for breathing and bike control. I tried out my Specialized Roubaix with 30mm tires this past weekend, on the gravel road leading to my cabin, and did not feel like the bike was planted to the surface. The 34mm file treads seemed to roll very nice when I was coasting downhill alongside others. I'm planning to rail the downhill’s by taking advantage of my big bones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    It is great to have pro racing back on the tube. It was interesting that Wiggins was on the trainer spinning right after the uphill finish yesterday.
    I read a study that tested cyclists using different recovery techniques in between trainer TT efforts. Spinning at ~80w for two hours actually resulted in a faster second TT effort. Other techniques showed reduced performance for the second effort. Whether the same holds true when the subsequent effort is the next day wasn't tested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    I read a study that tested cyclists using different recovery techniques in between trainer TT efforts. Spinning at ~80w for two hours actually resulted in a faster second TT effort. Other techniques showed reduced performance for the second effort. Whether the same holds true when the subsequent effort is the next day wasn't tested.
    You need to allow the legs to clear any residual lactic, and it's a great time to restore glycogen while your aerobic system is still engaged and pumping blood. For most really fit cyclists, your HR drops to it's lowest RHR after a race effort, the lowered HR slows blood delivery for refueling and repair.

    At most races I grab a recovery bottle as soon as I cross the line and drink it while I cool down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    Here is the course and elevation. http://connect.garmin.com/course/675400 It looks like a tough day in the saddle for a fatty.
    The ride is fairly simular to some of my flat rides. http://ridewithgps.com/routes/409033
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    A question on TT geometry, since I found a 2010 P2C on eBay, and the auction ends in a few hours. Current high bid is $650. Comparing TT geo to road bikes:

    ...................Stack.....Reach
    61cm S5/R5:....63........40.5
    61cm P2C:......57.7......44.7

    I'm thinking that they all must be intended for people about the same size, and that the extra reach works for aerobars, and keeps you from being way over the top of wheel given the steep ST angle? The front half of the bike is atretch when compared to a road bike?

    My big concern is whether or not I can get the saddle height where I need it to be. The P2 is Cervelo's tallest (along with the new P5) and Cervelo forum threads make me think it just might work, but it's hard to know for sure. I don't think having a saddle too low would be that great an idea on a TT. Ouch. :/
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    On a conference call this morning, someone asked if I rode in today. I said "yep, I did 15 'jumps', where I stood up and cranked as hard as I could, like I was sprinting away from a pack." He asked how it went, and I said, "Well, um, I left the imaginary pack in the dust." :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    On a conference call this morning, someone asked if I rode in today. I said "yep, I did 15 'jumps', where I stood up and cranked as hard as I could, like I was sprinting away from a pack." He asked how it went, and I said, "Well, um, I left the imaginary pack in the dust." :-)
    Nice grasshopper, remember the effort is not as hard as you can, it's as fast as you can go. Big difference IMHO, I could not run a 200 meter run quicker by going as "hard as I can”, it required running as "fast as I can". Being fast means being in control to make changes. How close can one get to maximum effort and still have control? 94%, 95%, 97%? at some point there is no control, then there is wasted effort resulting in inefficiency. If the kids I used to coach in the 110m hurdles went “maximum effort” I don't think any would make it to the 7th hurdle. Of course strength is important, my college sprint coach used to hammer "speed is strength" into our heads.

    There are freaks to the rule. I believe that Michael Jordan could play very near 100% with control and when defenders matched his speed they lost the ability to control/correct the effort and made mistakes.

    The big question we have is how fast can we efficiently utilize the strength we have? One good thing is that both sides are trainable.
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    I bow to the knowledge of the Sensei... thanks.
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