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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Went and did the senior games yesterday. Report here.

    Fun stuff. Hung out with Cleave. I'll let him fill in the details.
    Are you planning to make the trip to Ohio?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Are you planning to make the trip to Ohio?
    Mebbe. Could be fun.

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    Nice result R'Ex.
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    Hermes, thanks for the tip! And for the Kudos! I'm now following Yvonne. I hope she doesn't mind!

    Shovel, thank you!!!

    AzT, thank you - and, my work schedule I've always had to battle, in more ways than one. I have about an hour in the morning this time of year (daylight) that I can use to train, and I do/will. I have a better understanding, now, of what I need to do (thanks to all of you) and I'm going to rethink how I conduct a ride in that hour. You're right, I need to hit it hard in the week off. Harder than I do now. Also, I don't know how I'd fit a rest period in with the odd-ball schedule I have, but I'll figure it out.

    Once again - thank you all!
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    Hey, Ex, did you happen to run into a gal by the name of Barb Giquel at the Senior Games?
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    Hermes and Red Rider, I greatly appreciate your offers for hospitality for the Mt Diablo Hill Climb Time Trial. Unfortunately, I will be in Las Vegas that weekend. Not sure if I'm taking my bike but knowing me, I will for some 6:00a rides. When I was way under 50 years-old I raced pretty regularly in NorCal. I need to commit to a race up there soon. Maybe I should shoot for the Esparto TT on Sep 1st on our way up to Bend.

    Sara, improvements (and unfortunately setbacks) come in fits and spurts. Glad to hear that you are experiencing tangible improvement.

    Here's what a winning from a solo break looks like:


    Here's the agony of defeat (2nd in the field sprint and 2nd in my age group):


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    Race Report: Pasadena Senior Games (California qualifying event for 2013 National Summer Senior Games)

    Day 1
    I got to the race venue (about 6 miles from my house) at 7:30a which was before the race organizers arrived. I had plenty of time to set up for the day and warm up for what I learned was a 9:06a start time for the 5 Km TT. It was actually a 5.6 Km TT (on purpose this year) to make things easier for the competitors and organizers -- 2 full laps instead of 1.X laps with the finish in a different spot than the start. After the organizers arrived and the line thinned out, I got my race number an timing chip. I had a good warm up and got to the line ready to race.

    5-4-3-2-1 and I took off and tried to settle into something faster than 25 MPH. About 1/3 of the way around the course I realized I'd forgotten to start my computer. Finished the first lap feeling OK but the wheels quickly fell off the cart and I was struggling on the 2nd lap. Since I had not started my computer appropriately, I didn't really know my time but I thought it was really bad. It turns out I was only 12 seconds slower than the winner of the 55-59 age group and 4 seconds out of second. I was happy with my mediocre (instead of terrible) time. Interestingly, the 55-59 men had the top 3 times of the day too. I still can't figure out the right mental approach to a 5 Km TT (more on that later).

    After the TT I had plenty of time to rest and get ready for the 40 Km "road" race which started at about 1:30p. I should mention that the course was the world famous El Dorado Park circuit that I've ridden on countless Tuesday evenings since 1979. It's basically flat with no technical turns but with a lot of tree root heaves in the asphalt. The men had three age groups starting and racing together, but scored separately (50-54, 55-59, and 60-64). All of the women had raced together and were scored separately.

    My teammate (50-54) and "best" racing buddy (55-59) decided we would test the field alternately attacking and counter-attacking to see who responded. We were working our plan and my buddy was off the front while my teammate and I were "resting" at the back. We were lapping a racer when he swerved in towards the center of the pack and caused a crash right in front of us. Three or four guys were on the ground and I had enough time to think I was going to join them. I had locked up my rear tire and was sliding sideways when I had enough muscle memory to release the brakes and swerve around the fallen riders. My teammate said he zigged and zagged through a rapidly closing path. We chased back up to the field (which fortunately wasn't that hard) and the pack caught my buddy right after that. About half a lap later, my teammate jumped and no one chased. My buddy and I sat back, but not too far back this time, and watched him ride away as we strolled around the next three laps at barely 20 MPH.

    Another three laps and we have 4 to go. Some guys at the front having a contest to see who could slow down more to avoid being in front almost crashed. I (regretfully) used an expletive while asking about their bike handling skills and then attacked out of frustration and for survival. My buddy and two other 55-59 guys catch me and we start working together and leave the rest of the field behind. My buddy said he'd lead me out but as we start jockeying for position as we enter the last half lap one of the other guys gets his wheel with me in 3rd. We hit the last slightly uphill and quartering headwind drag and my buddy is hammering on the left side of the road so the guy on his wheel can't get a good draft. He actually gets a small gap but I keep delaying my jump because I don't want to drag the 2nd place guy around my friend when I jump into the windy side. I wait for him to jump but he doesn't. Finally I jump with about 50 meters to go and get around him with surprising ease but I don't have enough time to get around my buddy -- no problem though. My teammate is first overall and first 50-54, my buddy is second overall (first 55-59), and I'm 3rd overall (second 55-59).

    I end the day with a bronze and a silver and I'm now qualified for all of the races in Cleveland.

    There is a dinner for the racers at a local Mexican restaurant and during dinner I decide to go all out in the 10 Km (actually 11.2 Km) TT and then play the 20 Km road race by ear. My teammate is only doing the TT the next day because of work and in the end my buddy had to take his wife to the doctor because she may have fractured a bone in her foot (long story) so I knew I'd be "isolated" in the road race.

    Day 2

    Surprise, surprise! I get to the venue a little late and who do I see but Racer Ex. I start getting ready and warmed up with my teammate and Racer Ex grabs a seat and gabs it up with us while we're getting ready (since he has a late start due to his late entry). I always enjoy talking with him. Reasonable warm up done, dressed, and ready for the TT. I take off on lap 1 (of 4) get up to speed and immediately have to avoid some park maintenance trucks that are on the course. After squeezing between the trucks a 50-54 guy catches and passes me. I'm kind of startled by that but the worst thing is that I now have to take a line on the course that keeps me from drafting him as he is not really faster than me. I pass him partway through the lap and a bit later he passes me again. I get to play this game with him for the duration of his race. I'm not sure if he's annoyed, but I am. Also I'm annoyed because I'm behind on my split times. I just totally lose concentration on the last lap even though I am alone. I finish about 25 seconds slower than planned and I end up second about 25 seconds slower than the winner (who won the 5 Km). Ugh, another silver. BTW, my first 5 Km split was faster than my 5 Km time the day before. My 2nd 5 Km split was slower.

    Racer Ex starts last and just blisters the course! He is 2 minutes and change(!!!) faster than I. It was a learning experience just watching him go by on each lap. I end up with the 6th fastest time of the day. Oh well.

    So now the guys who finished 3rd and 4th (55-59) in the 40 Km road race are teammates and I know that they are going to try to work me over. Racer Ex hints that I should watch him though I had already figured that out. Everyone else has figured that out too. It's like a school of piranha going after a small piece of steak as everyone wants to be on his wheel. Against my better judgement, I try a couple of small jumps (I am pretty tired at this point). I can't even remember which lap it was but Racer Ex puts in a big attack and I jump on the wheel of one of the other 55-59 guys. He chases for maybe 100 meters and then sits up and I sit up too. Bye, bye Racer Ex as none of the other 50-54 guys even tries to chase.

    It turns into the same pattern as the 40 Km road race. If one of us (now just me and the two guys who are teammates) don't ride tempo on the front the pace slows incredibly. Just after we get 3 to go, one of the 60-64 guys goes slowly off the front. He's got 100 meters pretty quickly since we're riding so slowly. I decide that I can get him and I hope that I can drop him a bit later with the added hope that the pack will stop after they catch him. I caught him pretty quickly. We start working together with the pack chasing. Unfortunately, I really am tired. The pack catches both of us with 2 to go.

    So now I decide to sit in and wait for the sprint. I get a little nervous when one of the other active 55-59 guys attacks but he gives it up pretty quickly. I am in the back half of the pack as we're heading towards the last turn. All of a sudden I catch the teammates surging on the outside coming up from behind me. By the time I can safely move another guy is already third wheel. I get on his wheel and we pass everyone just before the last turn. This time the leadout is on the right and I'm getting a great draft. Unfortunately I wait too long to jump. The guy in third goes and all I can do is stay near him. I don't have enough to get past him and thus my agony of defeat photo above. After we cross the line I ask his age group and he says 55-59. Double-damn!!! Another silver. Of course a day earlier our chase group had dropped him.

    I guess the smart thing to do would have been to just sit and watch and wait for the sprint. Unfortunately I hate racing that way.

    All in all a fun two days of racing and socializing with a bunch of older cyclists. Still planning on Cleveland in 2013.
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    Great report, Cleave - and great results, congratulations! Congrats on making Cleveland, too. You painted quite a picture of the races, as well as what a monster you are and Ex is. I bow to you!

    Also, thank you for the Kudos.
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    Great Race Report Cleave. Congrats. to you and Racer Ex.

    Now you guys got me thinking.................. maybe nx year.

    p.s. Cracked my helmet going over the bars on Tues. Getting a new helmet wasn't really in the budget, oh well.

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    Congrats on the medals, Cleave.

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    Great report, Cleave. Maybe when I grow up I too can be someone who is disappointed with a string of second places. LOL

    I'm pretty tired tonight, having covered over 800 miles in the last couple of weeks of touring. Great fun, as well as (I hope) great training. Today was pretty brutal, though, as our interlude of Californian weather has come to an end and been supplanted by wind and incessant rain. Severe weather warnings for tomorrow, with wind speeds that may make it dangerous to ride, so I may just call it a day and take the train home.

    Then an easy week in prospect before back to racing next weekend. We'll see how the "touring as training" regime has worked out...
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    Congrats Cleave on two days of successful racing. I find the detail that racers can put in reports fascinating. I can remember intricate details of races I did in 2010 including power numbers but sometimes I cannot remember what I watched on TV the day before. I suspect it is the focus. We are so focused on the racing, people, venue, experience and physical sensations, that the race etches the experience in our minds forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Hey, Ex, did you happen to run into a gal by the name of Barb Giquel at the Senior Games?
    Heard the name I think. Was she competing?

    Cleave rode great in the RR. He was marked by the "team" guys (I saw an immediate reaction every time he moved) and he beat both of them to the line. I think it was a case of somebody sneaking in there that no one expected.

    And thanks for the picture links. Some great shots...OK it's me but some nice clarity on this one:



    And you can even see the flat rear tire...


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    Great shots, Ex!

    Yes, she was competing. She broke her pelvis back in February, then had a bout with shingles, but that didn't stop her. She's a monster, that gal is!
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    Chasm54, 2nd place is like being a bridesmaid. You stand near the alter and then watch the bride get into the limousine for her honeymoon throwing rice on her wishing her well. Maybe you catch the bouquet. In 2010, I attended masters track nationals and an event we had a chance of winning was team pursuit. We came in 2nd and lost to Vic's Expresso. I turned myself inside out that day and I am still scarred. It was not our day and they rode a great race. Now the rules have changed i.e. age categories and it is much harder to win. All that means is that we have to train harder / smarter and put together a better team.
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    Sara, Barb was definitely there and riding well. I think she won both road races. I'm not sure how she did in the time trials. Her main competitor, my teammate, Pat Baker, had a pretty severe crash in March that required elbow surgery and a lot of time off the bike. (She even rode against doctor's orders.) Both of these women are inspiring. I didn't get to speak with Barb at the post-race dinner on Tuesday as we were at different tables.

    Ex, your P4 almost looks two dimensional in that shot.

    I thought I'd tell more about these races since I did reasonably well. Who wants to hear about finishing near the back of the pack or how life was in Offbackistan?

    Last night I planned to do active recovery at the velodrome but when I got home I could barely keep my eyes open so...
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    Racer Ex. Great TT shot and position. I think you are lower on your pursuit bike.
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    Oh, one other thing. Link Linquist was there as usual except that he had hip replacement surgery 6 weeks earlier. Link also moved up an age group this year to 85-89. I can only hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
    Sara, Barb was definitely there and riding well. I think she won both road races. I'm not sure how she did in the time trials. Her main competitor, my teammate, Pat Baker, had a pretty severe crash in March that required elbow surgery and a lot of time off the bike. (She even rode against doctor's orders.) Both of these women are inspiring. I didn't get to speak with Barb at the post-race dinner on Tuesday as we were at different tables.

    Ex, your P4 almost looks two dimensional in that shot.

    I thought I'd tell more about these races since I did reasonably well. Who wants to hear about finishing near the back of the pack or how life was in Offbackistan?


    Last night I planned to do active recovery at the velodrome but when I got home I could barely keep my eyes open so...
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    I enjoy reading all of the race reports, no matter how anyone did. It helps me understand who you are and how you think, and there's usually something I learn from every one of them. I put my race reports in the 33 but I'll link them here if this group is interested.

    Hermes, I understand the difficulty of second place, which only makes winning that much sweeter. I don't obsess with it, though. So many things have to go right to win. The guys like RacerEx are just very, very special people. Most of us can only hope to be at that level at any point in our lives, much less for a career. For me, it puts things in perspective. I go into most races to win, but I try my best not to let it get to me too much if I don't. That is, unless it was right in front of me and I couldn't get the job done. That drives me absolutely CRAZY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    That is, unless it was right in front of me and I couldn't get the job done. That drives me absolutely CRAZY.
    I hear you. And for me, it doesn't have to be the win that I didn't get. If I make a clear error that costs me time/places, or fall off when I think I should have been able to hold on, then I get the frustrated feelings.

    Back on the bike yesterday after three days off visiting my son in Sonoma County. Still haven't gotten the initial changes done to get the PM over on the TT bike, so rode pace using PE and HR. Realized that I let the 'back on the bike enthusiasm' get me pushing it too hard, which was confirmed when I got a Strava KOM on a downhill sprint. I was supposed to be under FTP. Wups: No Canyon HS Sprint West
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    After the track workout yesterday, I went to the gym for a weight workout and focused on core and back. Lots of Roman Chair, Turkish Getups, Kettle bell swings and bridges. I set a PR in the steam room. I am getting into the Getups and kettle bell swings. Just something different.



    I am sure that the chick in this video is using a corked kettle bell or she is a monster. I suspect the latter. This is very good due to its ballistic nature but if done correctly is easy on the spine.



    One of the trainers at my gym is helping me with the form of these exercises. Form is critical.
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    For you ladies, here is a woman weighing 123 pounds doing a Getup with 28 kg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    I went to the gym for a weight workout and focused on core and back....Kettle bell swings
    I got confused and had been working out with these:



    I've made great gains in my core.

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    What recovery regime do people use here? I find recovery slow and could spend more time training if I could sustain it - I rest and eat well etc. My 'coach' is a 40-year-old friend with a lot of experience and he gives me a program which i think is good - even though i think he doesnt fully appreciate the limitations of age and mediocre genetics. He has suggested trying a three-week cycle of two weeks effort and one recovery. Any thoughts welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomgdaly View Post
    What recovery regime do people use here? I find recovery slow and could spend more time training if I could sustain it - I rest and eat well etc. My 'coach' is a 40-year-old friend with a lot of experience and he gives me a program which i think is good - even though i think he doesnt fully appreciate the limitations of age and mediocre genetics. He has suggested trying a three-week cycle of two weeks effort and one recovery. Any thoughts welcome.
    What does a typical week look like?
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