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    I guess I need to get the Felt B2 dusted off....
    Sara, you too? I had no idea you were a tester. (that's what roadies call time-triallists, over here). Great. We'll form a club of the sub-sixty over-sixties.
    There have been many days when I haven't felt like riding, but there has never been a day when I was sorry I rode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    I guess I need to get the Felt B2 dusted off....
    Felts do not deserve to get dusty. Please attend to it ASAP.

    (I race a Felt and love everything about it, in case you didn't know).

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    I'd also invest in a foam roller and develop a post exercise stretching routine. Other than getting the nutrition right I found they are the best thing to help recovery.
    I stretch twice a week and have good mobility (I think! - I do hamstring, quads/psoas, glutes, ITB, calves and general trunk). I'm not sure if I'd have the time luxury of doing it after a workout though. I have a foam roller - I use it on ITB to help with a knee problem that I am gradually getting to the bottom of. How do you use it in a general stretching routine - is it just a matter of rolling out the main muscle group?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    Sara, you too? I had no idea you were a tester. (that's what roadies call time-triallists, over here). Great. We'll form a club of the sub-sixty over-sixties.
    Count me in as an aspirant. I have to get 3.30 off over three years - and keep ahead of the 'maturing process' at the same time! To be honest, it seems impossible at the moment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Felts do not deserve to get dusty. Please attend to it ASAP.

    (I race a Felt and love everything about it, in case you didn't know).
    Hah! You're right, Shovel! Hey, she's my "old girl' - a 2004 vintage with the wrong wheels. Hermes has seen me ride it. She'll get cleaned, and ridden, this week. I too am a Felt aficionado. I met Jim Felt last year at an event and had a good chat (and photo op) with him - he's a really nice fella. He knows (now) I love his bikes!

    Chasm, I've only raced my B2 in triathlons. That was the original excuse, umm, reason, for buying it. It is time, hi-ho, to perhaps enter a TT or three (I told RR I'd like to do one of those Smack Downs with her). Forming a "Sub-Over" club sounds neat! Lets!
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    So, reading the 33 really gets me excited (don't you dare...). I'm becoming more and more convinced I need to have a few crits under my belt this year as part of the "progression". My dilemma is how to start. Those of you local to me, what are your thoughts on this one?

    Those of you NOT local to me, any words of wisdom as to my line of thinking? Of course I'd be a Cat 4 tangling with 20 year olds (not really my idea of fun)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Hah! You're right, Shovel! Hey, she's my "old girl' - a 2004 vintage with the wrong wheels. Hermes has seen me ride it. She'll get cleaned, and ridden, this week. I too am a Felt aficionado. I met Jim Felt last year at an event and had a good chat (and photo op) with him - he's a really nice fella. He knows (now) I love his bikes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    So, reading the 33 really gets me excited (don't you dare...). I'm becoming more and more convinced I need to have a few crits under my belt this year as part of the "progression". My dilemma is how to start. Those of you local to me, what are your thoughts on this one?

    Those of you NOT local to me, any words of wisdom as to my line of thinking? Of course I'd be a Cat 4 tangling with 20 year olds (not really my idea of fun)...
    The women are going as long as anyone but the P12, and there is a hill, so it will be grueling. But hey, any crit is grueling, or you aren't doing it right. Dips in the corners could be anything from the normal concrete depression in the asphalt for intersection runoff, to something more troublesome. But if it were really bad, they probably woudn't use the course.

    Nothing improves your bike handling and race IQ like crit's (and track), and you will either love the crit or hate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    So, reading the 33 really gets me excited (don't you dare...). I'm becoming more and more convinced I need to have a few crits under my belt this year as part of the "progression". My dilemma is how to start. Those of you local to me, what are your thoughts on this one?

    Those of you NOT local to me, any words of wisdom as to my line of thinking? Of course I'd be a Cat 4 tangling with 20 year olds (not really my idea of fun)...
    If you can, I would try and start with a Women's Cat3/4 field for your first few races. Get your feet wet. Then, I would encourage you to race up (race a younger age group, race with men's fields, Masters, etc.) as much as you can to gain experience from people that know what they are doing. M60+ would be a great place to do that, if they will allow you to.

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    I looked at the course, and if I read it right, it's technical, with two less than 90* turns. Not the best course to start on. Are there other options?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
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    Permaban.

    Understood!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    I looked at the course, and if I read it right, it's technical, with two less than 90* turns. Not the best course to start on. Are there other options?
    That's what I thought, AzT. I don't know about others (I missed one yesterday that was held RIGHT HERE, next to the airport where I work, while was working) close by, but I am looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    If you can, I would try and start with a Women's Cat3/4 field for your first few races. Get your feet wet. Then, I would encourage you to race up (race a younger age group, race with men's fields, Masters, etc.) as much as you can to gain experience from people that know what they are doing. M60+ would be a great place to do that, if they will allow you to.
    I really, really wish there were more sub-categories in the women's fields! I understand why there aren't; the number of entrants. Race with the men? I'll ask, that's a good suggestion. The thing is, most men are so much stronger than I am, but hey - maybe I can grab a wheel and hang on the flats. Just thinking out loud.

    My worries about the Cat 3/4 women's field stem from the silliness I saw in the Sea Otter road race - crashes in the neutral start. WTF... I really, really don't want to hit the deck because of some over hyped mistake on someone else's part (I can crash on my own, thank you very much). But, I know, I have to start somewhere.

    AzT, I know the section of town where the Watsonville crit is held - the roads aren't too bad, typical California small city streets, IMHO. Also, right on the on the experience. I need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post

    Those of you NOT local to me, any words of wisdom as to my line of thinking? Of course I'd be a Cat 4 tangling with 20 year olds (not really my idea of fun)...
    I'm about as not local to you as you can get. I am, however, an aged Cat4 tangling with 20 year-olds (which might be my idea of fun, depending on the 20 year-old, but let's not go there).

    I think it entirely depends on how ready you feel. There's simply no point in racing a crit if one is immediately off the back and simply riding round alone. For me, at least, the learning has come from mixing it with a pretty chaotic and sometimes squirrelly bunch.

    I'm not suggesting you're slow, Sara, and I know you have good cornering skills. But speaking for myself, I was astonished in my first crit by how fast it started. Had I been at the back of the bunch waiting on the line I'd have been gone, and unable to grab a wheel. So I'd say, go for it, but choose your race and be prepared to go very hard from the ***.

    EDIT. There's a seventeen year-old girl who races with us in the male Cat4 races, here. She's been to one of the training camps I help with in Spain. She can hang in there, more easily than me. Why shouldn't you?
    There have been many days when I haven't felt like riding, but there has never been a day when I was sorry I rode.

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    June 16th http://ncnca.org/sites/default/files...204%20OKED.pdf

    I did this race in 2010. The course is flat and easy. Four right hand turns with lots of room and good pavement. They had mentors for the Cat 5 men so they may have them for the Cat 4 women. You can email the race director.
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    I sent an email to the Nevada Senior Games, and it looks like I can qualify there if I place top 4.
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    Go get it, AZT. We have a house in Ohio to invade.

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    Sara, rather than jump in on a crit, I'd make a suggestion and do the Saturday morning session at Hellyer. You can rent a bike cheap for the training and racing. Once you've got that under your belt hit a few of the Wednesday night races which have a women's 3/4. I've found (for the most part) that the lack of brakes or coasting makes folks a little more circumspect about where they put their wheels and makes for an inherently smoother race (no brakes means no panic stops).

    The biggest thing with track racing is that the races are short and you get three different things thrown at you an evening. Each race is different and requires you to think on the fly. It's flat so you're not going to have to deal with skinny climbers. Make a tactical mistake? Wait 30 minutes and get a do over. Plus you get to watch and learn from a lot of other races where you can see everything play out in front of you.

    A lot of the best sprinters have come out of track programs...Cavendish, Zabel, Renshaw...it's a big list. Very condensed learning curve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    June 16th http://ncnca.org/sites/default/files...204%20OKED.pdf

    I did this race in 2010. The course is flat and easy. Four right hand turns with lots of room and good pavement. They had mentors for the Cat 5 men so they may have them for the Cat 4 women. You can email the race director.
    Hermes, I'll do that. I have a commitment that afternoon, but I see the women go off in the morning. I might be able to fit it in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Sara, rather than jump in on a crit, I'd make a suggestion and do the Saturday morning session at Hellyer. You can rent a bike cheap for the training and racing. Once you've got that under your belt hit a few of the Wednesday night races which have a women's 3/4. I've found (for the most part) that the lack of brakes or coasting makes folks a little more circumspect about where they put their wheels and makes for an inherently smoother race (no brakes means no panic stops).

    The biggest thing with track racing is that the races are short and you get three different things thrown at you an evening. Each race is different and requires you to think on the fly. It's flat so you're not going to have to deal with skinny climbers. Make a tactical mistake? Wait 30 minutes and get a do over. Plus you get to watch and learn from a lot of other races where you can see everything play out in front of you.

    A lot of the best sprinters have come out of track programs...Cavendish, Zabel, Renshaw...it's a big list. Very condensed learning curve.
    Ex, I have done that Saturday session at Hellyer (one). I even bought a track bike, thinking I'd take advantage of some of the races there, but things didn't work out as planned. I may take a second look at it, though.
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    Here's the Watsonville crit course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
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    Here's the Watsonville crit course.
    Hmm... that's not what is described in the flyer. That one is certainly less technical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Hmm... that's not what is described in the flyer. That one is certainly less technical.
    It doesn't look bad, does it? It's right in the downtown...good roads! I'll go scout it out sometime soon.
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