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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rider View Post
    I'm done. No mas. Good luck to all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
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    Ditto. Wat?

    My first track experience was at the Superdrome. Steep, and unlike Carson, if you go over the rail in turn 1/2 you don't land for quite a while. Intimidating at first but then I had ridden Daytona at 150 MPH on the banking (and Riverside) so there was a degree of familiarity there.

    I still managed to slide off the banking there once in practice when I was farting around with my pursuit bike in the sprinters lane and forgot to keep the speed up. And I found out that they had cut back on the sand when they repainted when I slide around a bit on my first run on the new surface. But it's no longer really intimidating...as long as you keep your thinking cap on.

    The banking can be your friend once you embrace it. Today we were doing 2 lap drop downs off the motor then had to go uptrack and get back in line at somewhere around 28-30 MPH. If I needed more speed to grab the last person in line I would just go "downhill" to accelerate and pop back on.

    Since learning how to ride track a few years ago at Frisco, I've ridden Hellyer (333), Carson (250), and Alkek (333). The 250's are a different beast. You can make things happen a lot quicker, poor riding is penalized more severely and it's just physically harder because of the G forces. That said holy smokes are they fun.
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    Whats up RR? Hope your OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    Whats up RR? Hope your OK.
    +1

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    Thanks Shovel. Way to go, Cleveland cycling community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rider View Post
    I'm done. No mas. Good luck to all.
    Waiting to hear, hoping it's just BF frustration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rider View Post
    I'm done. No mas. Good luck to all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rider View Post
    I'm done. No mas. Good luck to all.
    No RR, don't leave or quit please. anything we can help with?

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    I have spoken to RR. She's okay, but I won't say any more than that. I don't want to put words in her mouth.

    I had a really GOOD ride yesterday with the Tuesday group, and that was after three mornings of utter shiite rides. I got half way warmed up, and when the point came where the "fast guys" go off the front (after a short painful climb) I was right there and went with them. I worked my little butt off to stay on their wheels, even when they did some attacks. I did get gapped, a little, a couple of times, but I managed to get back on. I glanced at my Garmin once - 27 MPH on the flats, and I thought "yes, okay - GO". When the road tilted up, I dug deep, deep, deep and stayed there.

    50 miles later I still had some kick. I still DO NOT climb as well as I need to, but I can feel some improvement. There are those who are of the opinion that I am more the sprinter than climber, and I might be facing the "good as you're going to get" wall. Nope. I need to know that, and don't know that. Or, accept it. I had a long talk with one of the fellas who did a lot of racing in earlier years. Besides saying all of the things you fellas have and do, we spoke of "killer instinct"..He told me that I might be "too nice". I get his point. However, I've not been in a position yet to find out. But, I have that to ponder now, too.

    This is fun!

    RR - a public hug!
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    Go Sara!!! Good results come after hard work, and you have done that.
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    Awesome, Sara. That's a breakthrough ride if I ever saw one. You earned that.
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    "He told me that I might be "too nice". I get his point. However, I've not been in a position yet to find out. But, I have that to ponder now, too."

    Sara,

    How do you know you are not "too nice"?... When you drop the guys hanging on your wheel going up a climb, beause you can, and don't worry about hurting their feelings or keeping the pack mentality. The true beauty of the experiance is waiting after the effort for them to catch up while you soft pedal, then don't say a word once they are back. Makes one want to do it again and again. Believe me that their tounges will be hanging out and not due to your "tiny butt" just up the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    "He told me that I might be "too nice". I get his point. However, I've not been in a position yet to find out. But, I have that to ponder now, too."

    Sara,

    How do you know you are not "too nice"?... When you drop the guys hanging on your wheel going up a climb, beause you can, and don't worry about hurting their feelings or keeping the pack mentality. The true beauty of the experiance is waiting after the effort for them to catch up while you soft pedal, then don't say a word once they are back. Makes one want to do it again and again. Believe me that their tounges will be hanging out and not due to your "tiny butt" just up the road.
    I had one of those experiences awhile back, riding in an 'invite only' group that I used to have difficulty hanging with on climbs. The ride included a climb that had been my nemesis in one of our road races. I decided to kick that climbs butt, went up it using power I knew I could maintain, and proceeded to (a) drop everyone to where they couldn't see me, and (b) collect a group ahead that thanked me after I pulled them up the climb. The look on my buddie's face when I turned around came back down for them was priceless. I had asked for a "climbing base ride", and my base that day turned out to be pretty sweet. No invite since then.

    Guess I'm just not that nice.
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    sarals, good work. Remember the key word? Hint: it begins with a "P".

    AZT, you nasty.

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    Yesterday, I had two trips to the track which is 30 miles away. The first one was in the morning for my Tuesday morning session. I am preparing for the NorCal state track championships on Saturday and Sunday. It was a beautiful morning. One glitch was that when I got home and sorted out my equipment, I discovered a Mavic Disc wheel in my warmup wheel bag. I know who it belongs to and we will swap wheels on Thursday. I am surprised this type of thing does not happen more often. We show up with a lot of equipment and organize it all in the infield on tables. We gear bikes and change wheels as the session progresses.

    In the evening, my wife was racing team pursuit as part of the new program at Hellyer. I was a bike b!tch, photographer, music playlist provider, holder and lap counter / bell ringer. My wife did two races with two different teams. Here is the first team - game on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Awesome, Sara. That's a breakthrough ride if I ever saw one. You earned that.
    +1

    It's fun to see when it starts to "click" with someone...........even from afar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nacler22 View Post
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    It's fun to see when it starts to "click" with someone...........even from afar.
    Yes, it is. We're just trying to keep her grounded. Then again, to sarals, "grounded" is a dirty word. I'll have to find a better term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Yes, it is. We're just trying to keep her grounded. Then again, to sarals, "grounded" is a dirty word. I'll have to find a better term.
    Howbout, "make sure she doesn't over-torque her rotor"?

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    My track riding began in August 2008 when I participated in a day at the track at Hellyer where we could ride our road bikes on the track. I had a great time and later learned that the Masters Track Nationals was being held at Hellyer in 11 days. I did a beginner session at the track and borrowed a track bike from a friend. The first track race on a track bike in which I competed was the 500 meters at nationals. I did not finish DFL which was my goal and I did the pursuit and beat a couple of racers.

    After Nationals, I went back to the beginner sessions and did several sessions and started regular racing and training at Hellyer. In 2010, I wanted to go to Nationals and Worlds. In 2010, nationals was held in Frisco, TX and worlds in Anadia, Portugal both on a 250 meter track. My coach arranged a certification class for a group from Hellyer to learn to ride the 250 track in Carson, CA.

    When we arrived the visual impact of the track and banking seems like it is impossible to ride wall without slipping. It was easy to do and today after numerous race and training days on the 250 meter track, it is easy and riding at the top at the balustrade 38 feet above the floor seems normal.

    Frisco has a nice facility although it is outdoors versus the Velo Sports Center which is indoors and Frisco has a much rougher surface. VSP has the Siberian pine which is very slippery and fast.

    Anadia Portugal was a 250 meter indoor wooden track. However, the wood was rougher and not Siberian pine. Some of the Brits who race and train at Manchester said Portugal was about 2 to 3 seconds slower per 2K than Manchester. However, it was a very nice track and a blast to race on. International competition is totally cool and we met a lot of racers and in fact got to know several racers from VSP attending the California.

    I also raced nationals at Trexlertown last year which is 333 meter track similar to Hellyer. I had a great time and think the track is pretty fast.

    Next year, my wife and I plan to go to Mallorca and ride the new 250 meter track there. And I have an open invitation to go to Belarus with my former coach to race at their new track. I am not so sure about traveling to Belarus to race against the Russkies.
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    I bet them Russkies don't shave their legs and ride in chamios-less shorts too. And the Men's team, oh my!...
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    Everyone, thank you! No, the head is NOT growing. Grounded (is an okay phrase) I am. I might be growing, though - physically. I've gained four pounds in the last two months. My waist is smaller, though. But - the area at the bottom of my ribcage is bigger, a little. Everything else seems the same. Am I maybe loosing my "girl fat"?

    That ride was pure fun. Oh, I still got dropped by the "fast ones" on the really steep climbs, but not as bad. One of the comments from one of the other women in the group (who is very fast, very consistent) was "Sara, you have no idea how hard it is to stay with you on the flats". Oh?

    Getting there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    I bet them Russkies don't shave their legs and ride in chamios-less shorts too. And the Men's team, oh my!...
    You forgot the "uni-brow" part!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    "He told me that I might be "too nice". I get his point. However, I've not been in a position yet to find out. But, I have that to ponder now, too."

    Sara,

    How do you know you are not "too nice"?... When you drop the guys hanging on your wheel going up a climb, beause you can, and don't worry about hurting their feelings or keeping the pack mentality. The true beauty of the experiance is waiting after the effort for them to catch up while you soft pedal, then don't say a word once they are back. Makes one want to do it again and again. Believe me that their tounges will be hanging out and not due to your "tiny butt" just up the road.
    AJ, I know what he was talking about. I am "polite", I don't put people away. Rather than go for a hole, I'll lag and let someone else have it. That's my nature, and the fella I was talking to knows that. That said, it is fun to be able to answer a challenge. I know, I know - racing is more than that. Someone told me a story recently about other riders putting you into a curb for $20. I know that's out there. What will I do in the face of that? That's the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    I bet them Russkies don't shave their legs and ride in chamios-less shorts too. And the Men's team, oh my!...
    Hey, I resemble that remark! yeeecch.

    Way to go Sara, you are getting faster and learning at the same time. Give my best to RR and my hopes everything will work out her way.

    I have been steady in building the base so far with daily rides and sort of a plan varying my pace. Going to increase the mileage now that the balance and legs/lungs are all on the same page. I have Friel's "Riding Past 50" and "The Bible" that I am reading and making mental notes to make a plan for my training. Both have some good info for me as a beginner. Hope everyone has a great weekend and does well in they race. More miles for me and time to make a concrete plan and some goals. First thing I have done is to sign up for a metric century here, in October. Lots of our club's members will be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    But - the area at the bottom of my ribcage is bigger, a little. Everything else seems the same. Am I maybe loosing my "girl fat"?
    Without looking at you, I'd say that's your "core". Part of getting strong on the bike is strengthening your core. You will use it during all hard efforts...hammering, climbing, sprinting. This is a good sign.

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