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    I can throw a Frisbee reasonably well but I cannot throw a ball. I used to say I throw like a... but my wife does very well playing catch with my youngest son. I can pedal a bike reasonably well but forget about hackey sack. A couple of my roommates in college were competent. I was hopeless.

    BTW, my Strava times help make others look good. I only post to it because some clubmates egged me on to start posting there.
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    One on Ohio's best riders lives near me and we ride the same roads. He owns most all of Strava's KOM's in the area. Most,... there are two that I own only because I used my car to ride up the hills just fast enough to grab the KOM from him. I wonder is he thinks that I topped him? Maybe some day I'll tell him,...not!!!!
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    Somebody did that to me recently, not that I care. I just noticed it when I was checking on something. 23mph up a 6% grade for 2 miles. Don't think so.

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    I know it's fashionable to bag on Strava, but I think it is great. Social and benchmarking tool. Just because a (very) few people take all the KOM stuff seriously, is no reason to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Staying connected to cycling friends is pretty much the only reason I check facebook... and I'd much rather that portal be the singularly-minded Strava, than having to sift through all the platitudes in facebook land.

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    Bike Tires Direct has the 320 TPI Vittoria CX EVO on sale right now for $64 with free shipping if the order goes over $xxx. 21/23/25 available.

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    Most of you here in socal are already track vets, but if you have any friends looking to try it out, this is the perfect opportunity:

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    I know it's fashionable to bag on Strava, but I think it is great.
    I thought Strava was fashionable and bagging on Strava was a punk rock reaction to hair bands.

    The whole Strava + Garmin thing is annoying in that there seems to be an endless stream of people rolling through the 33 (and lord knows the 41) with silly questions based on silly data collected from those devices/portals. I'm not big on letting people know how I'm riding from a race standpoint either. I prefer them to guess.

    Strava reminds me of autocross...it ain't racing unless you're swapping paint. But I'm a curmudgeon.

    Beyond that whatever rocks people's boats and if it's a good way to stay connected, have at it.

    BTW I wish that intro started a few weeks earlier, a buddy is coming in from Boise and I know he'd like to check it out. I might get him down to HDC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    I know it's fashionable to bag on Strava, but I think it is great. Social and benchmarking tool. Just because a (very) few people take all the KOM stuff seriously, is no reason to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Staying connected to cycling friends is pretty much the only reason I check facebook... and I'd much rather that portal be the singularly-minded Strava, than having to sift through all the platitudes in facebook land.
    I agree - I would never post biking stuff to Faceblech. For me, Strava provides a reasonable bit of feedback, comparing how I'm doing now vs. several months back.

    I do have to be careful not to be *too* aware of certain segments - putting out extra effort at those points seems to often be counter productive to my goals for that ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    The whole Strava + Garmin thing is annoying in that there seems to be an endless stream of people rolling through the 33
    Indeed. Exactly why I haven't been there in years. Not being smug... it was a great resource when I first started cycling. But the signal to noise ratio is just too daunting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Strava reminds me of autocross...it ain't racing unless you're swapping paint. But I'm a curmudgeon.
    Exactly, it's not racing. Except to those few weenies who take it seriously. Screw them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    I'm not big on letting people know how I'm riding from a race standpoint either. I prefer them to guess.*
    Coincidentally, I was telling a teammate just this weekend that this is one of the reasons I like Strava -- because my teammates seem so unwilling to share training strategies and anecdotes. I get why you would want to be somewhat discreet: when you are at the pointy end of the state and national scene, you don't want to be giving the Thrulows of the world any advantage. But for cat 3 and 4 pack fodder, teammates no less, to be all secretive about their training... well, not sure why even be on a team.

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    This is what bugs me about Strava. I am a basic member that uses it to stay in touch with friends and mentor less experienced riders. If it blew up tomorrow I would not miss it.

    Their power calculations are a joke. Strava thinks my 5min power is 768W, and I have a power meter on every bike.
    Strava does not accurately represent my power meter power. It is calculated differently than what I see on Golden Cheetah and is generally useless.
    The Strava interface is terrible. It's non-intutive. It's too hard to find anything of value without scrolling through a bazillion pages.
    Some people take it too seriously. I mean, all of us take racing too seriously, but we understand our limitations. If some Fred takes a KOM from an accomplished rider it means nothing, yet it is trumpeted from the rooftops online, and unfortunately, in real life. To a large group of people, Strava is racing to them.
    Strava/Rapha/whatever challenges are no substitute for a real training plan.
    I can hide my real start/finish points, but then that throws my whole ride off.
    I have to be wary about who I let follow me. I have met strangers who know all about me just from what they see on Strava.
    Strava KOM's have been blowing up club rides in increasing numbers. It's disruptive. It's pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Strava thinks my 5min power is 768W
    Good, let them think you're out of shape.

    I didn't know Cat 3 and 4's have taken to training in unmarked kits these days. That's pretty funny.

    FWIW I share a lot with my teammates, and a whole lot with my athletes. There are a few "skunkwerks" things that come out of a small private online group of mad scientists that as part of our agreement we keep within the group, but otherwise I figure most of the information is already out there and I just happen to be a repository in some cases.
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    I think Strava is great for some and many serious NorCal racers use it and kibitz each other about KOMs. Our Low Key Hill Climb series now uses Strava to run a couple of hill climbs. There is a time window to do a particular route or climb and results are compiled and posted. It allows them to include routes that would be difficult promote with people running the event with stop watches.

    I am not motivated to provide my competition with too much information. If I do TT or HC, they can garner info but that is one data point. Constant use of Strava will paint a picture of my fitness and training plans with too much detail even if some of the power numbers are understated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Good, let them think you're out of shape.
    But I am, mon sewer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    FWIW I share a lot with my teammates, and a whole lot with my athletes.
    Lyin'. You never shared one w number of yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Good, let them think you're out of shape.

    I didn't know Cat 3 and 4's have taken to training in unmarked kits these days. That's pretty funny.

    FWIW I share a lot with my teammates, and a whole lot with my athletes. There are a few "skunkwerks" things that come out of a small private online group of mad scientists that as part of our agreement we keep within the group, but otherwise I figure most of the information is already out there and I just happen to be a repository in some cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    FWIW I share a lot with my teammates, and a whole lot with my athletes. There are a few "skunkwerks" things that come out of a small private online group of mad scientists that as part of our agreement we keep within the group, but otherwise I figure most of the information is already out there and I just happen to be a repository in some cases.
    At team camp a couple years ago, we're sitting around in the evening and the captain has a general Q&A. My one question/request was along those lines: Most of us are very well read on the latest training concepts and philosophies. Knowing the theory is big part of the battle, but actually applying it to each of our individual scenarios is another. Most of us know what we SHOULD be doing in a perfect world, but how does that manifest itself in the real world? Which intervals do you, teammate X, actually end up doing? How do you, teammate Y, fit your interval plan into your work/family/school schedule? I got blank stares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    At team camp a couple years ago, we're sitting around in the evening and the captain has a general Q&A. My one question/request was along those lines: Most of us are very well read on the latest training concepts and philosophies. Knowing the theory is big part of the battle, but actually applying it to each of our individual scenarios is another. Most of us know what we SHOULD be doing in a perfect world, but how does that manifest itself in the real world? Which intervals do you, teammate X, actually end up doing? How do you, teammate Y, fit your interval plan into your work/family/school schedule? I got blank stares.
    huh... I'd think this was the whole point of being on a team together... am I missing something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esteban58 View Post
    huh... I'd think this was the whole point of being on a team together... am I missing something?
    To be fair, it was a large group setting not conducive to the exchange of dozens of anecdotes. But it's an area that continues to be woefully inadequate, imo. One of many reasons I would prefer to be on a much smaller team.

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    Each year our racing club awards a scholarship program that pays approximately 1/2 the fee for the coach that the club uses. The quid pro quo is that each participant must write a weekly report with a summary and plan with results posted against the plan. Both my wife and I applied for and were awarded the scholarships in 2010 along with 3 others. Both my wife and me competed all the workouts and issued complete reports on time. I was voted most improved racer in 2010 of all masters and elites.

    The goal is that the other members, who were not in the program, could follow our reports and learn from the writeup and training plans. I would get a couple of comments every 6 months or so. IMO, racers do their own thing and it is highly dependent on what is going on in their life other than cycling and racing.

    The other important matter is that athletes are all very much individualists and need individual attention and required different amounts of rest. Although sprinters can workout together, it is unlikely that they will progress at the same rate. And that is not saying that all sprinters will not be in peak form for events.

    Some racers like to warm up and do endurance work on their road bikes and higher intensity work on the TT bikes. And trackies are just weird. We need that explosive component plus endurance plus great leg speed.

    I think discussions where racers share information about their workouts is interesting but it can be misleading. At best it is a general idea of what someone is doing at a particular point in the season and when certain types of sessions work better for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    To be fair, it was a large group setting not conducive to the exchange of dozens of anecdotes. But it's an area that continues to be woefully inadequate, imo. One of many reasons I would prefer to be on a much smaller team.
    I invite my teammates and buddies to do intervals with me. Tonight I have 1.5 hrs of tempo riding the fixie and at least 5 others are riding. In the warm season when I do sprints and Graveyard Crit intervals there could be 10 riders. I got nothing to hide and my coach encourages it.
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    There is no sharing of any detail within our team, and I while there is some "have to keep it secret" mentality, I think it's mostly because we are all just working our individual plans (many coached but some on their own) and there just isn't that much intersection. We have a brief pre-season period of team rides that are base and then switch to have more intensity, but then the season starts, and we just see each other at the races. There are certainly some informal groups doing some workouts together, but I'm not part of that.

    I'm not fast enough to worry about people seeing my Strava data, not that I would really care anyway. I suppose they could be dissected to reverse engineer some of Ex's drills, but I just can't see people doing that.
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    I saw the trauma doc today, and he said that after another couple of weeks, anything that happened would be a "new injury", whereas until then I'd be tearing apart the healing of the existing injury. The guy cycles, and understands the different types of races. He said it was clear I was thinking things through and taking a measured approach, so I should use my best judgement. That judgement will be to do the VOS TT and RR, but probably skip the crit. The week following has a couple of crits on courses that are smoother and more open than the VOS course, so I'll start back into the crits for those, with another week of healing.
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    Just hanging out shooting the bull

    I don't mind Strava at all. It's a social interaction for me, mainly. I like to see what people I know are doing and where they've been riding. The mapping feature I like, the performance features are nice to know and that's that. I could care less who's a QOM or KOM or a segment leader. I understand that the power algorithm it uses and the results are "best guess", and I pay little to no attention to that feature. I'm not up for Strava Bashing, though. I don't dislike the service.
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