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    Today on one of the climbs, I tried using the Chris Horner wry smile. It did not make any difference.
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    AZT, I seem to have a little soreness in my thighs from my blowout motor pacing session on Friday. I may need your coach to check the depth of the pain.
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    My back is sore from rototilling my wife's garden, perhaps we can get a group rate.
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    My back, arms & biceps are sore from spreading several yards of rain soaked mulch after my 50 mile ride - maybe we can get a volume discount.
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    I did it! Successfully completed my 1st TT, Crank the Kank. I took the smart approach and felt I learned a lot and with a couple planned revisits of the route over the summer we are planning to run it again next year.

    Here are some of the number by my Sigma Rox 8.0 computer:

    Miles: 21.82
    Gain: 2284
    Avg Incline: 5%
    Max Incline: 7%
    Avg MPH: 13.52
    Max MPH: 27.70 (long false flat)
    Avg HR: 157
    Max HR: 167
    Temp: 61.5f-70.7f

    I paced my self at about 15 mph over the first 11 miles which ran about 2%-3%. Then for the next 6 miles I picked it up a bit which is where I hit the top speed of 27.70 mph for better than a half mile before I started to work it down to prepare for the final push up the last ~5 miles and about 1400' of climbing.

    I got hit with a down pour about 2 miles from the top which was great as it allowed my to jump from 8 mph to 15 mph for nearly 1/2 mile. Those last ~5 miles were the toughest but I kept up a high cadence rather than trying to over power it and take a chance at blowing up.

    I can't wait to try another race and redo the Kank next year.

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    Tandemnh, It sounds like you did great. What was your time and place?
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    Great effort Tandemnh - any more events for the summer?
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    Hi,

    I have yet to figure out how to cost effectively join the power meter club when I train and race on four different bikes. Besides that, for the past few weeks, I've been burning the candle on all three ends.

    Since the beginning of the month I've done 2 weekend criteriums, 3 weekday races (with one 7th place finish in a break), a club century (as one of the group leaders), Ride of Silence (which I organized), attended a California Bicycle Coalition fundraiser (and ended up on the Board of Directors for Bikeable Communities), attended the Long Beach Bike Festival, and rode to work on Bike to Work Day (which is pretty scary given the roads that I have to traverse to get there). Whew! At a level I was somewhat relieved to skip some criteriums last Sunday when it was raining. There is a nice blog post from a local 60+ racer about the carnage that occurred during the 55+/60+ race that rainy morning (http://johnnymckee.blogspot.com/2011...rit-santa.html).

    Haven't managed too many pure training rides but I did get to one Thursday night session at the velodrome two weeks ago and put in a good session on my newly upgraded TT bike yesterday. Today I got in some hills and some distance (100 Km).

    The next three weekends in a row are Southern California / Nevada District Championships. This coming Saturday is the ITT. One week later is the road race and the following week is the TTT. I'm hoping for a personal best in the ITT (average speed >25 MPH), a pack finish in the road race, and maybe a medal in the Men's 180 (combined total age) TTT.

    This coming Tuesday and Wednesday is also the Pasadena Senior Games. In prior years these were the California Senior Games but this year Palo Alto hosted the statewide games. Tuesday is the 5 Km ITT and 40 Km road race while Wednesday is the 10 Km ITT and 20 Km road race. Last year yielded two silvers and a bronze. We'll see if I can improve on that this year.

    I kind of figure that if I do enough races something good will happen. Sort of like the theoretical room full of monkeys at typewriters where one eventually types Shakespeare.
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    Hi tandemnh,

    Sounds like your preparation worked pretty well for you. Glad to hear that you were happy with your effort and that you're ready to do it again.
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    Today was some hill work. A 34 mile ride out and back to a ridge we went up and over.
    1100 foot rise, 2.2 miles (8% - 12%) on the approach, and 3.6 miles (4% - 10%) on the return. Still tired from yesterdays ride and yard work but needed to strength building.
    I'll need to off load the data and calculate the watts. I forgot to wear the HRM and because I was very tired today I really have no idea what Zone the effort was at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    These drills are a bit like football practice drills. You have to run the tires, practice blocking, work on your cuts and the drills can be challenging. One has to be motivated in practice and believe that the drills will benefit you in the game. Well that is exactly the point of the motor games. Practice in controlled conditions at slower pace what is encountered in race situations at much faster speeds.

    I love to practice and work on perfect execution so I thought the workout was great even though as a team we sucked.
    Hi Hermes,

    I think that some of your points are lost on a lot of new racers of all ages. Racing isn't just your average speed on a particular course or how many watts you can hold for a given time. Those things are part of the sport but a lot of people ignore the skills needed in a mass start race or how well four riders need to work together in a TTT.

    I can't tell you how many races I've managed to stay in because I know how to maximize my position on a wheel or when I should burn a match. Of course I can't tell you how many times I've messed up on some of those things too.

    Also, I've seen four guys who are really fast individually not be nearly as fast as they should have in a TTT because they didn't work together well as a team. In 2008, my team got a bronze medal in the TTT in a large part because our team has ridden so much together in training that our exchanges and pace allowed us to maximize our performance.

    There are a number of skill and technique drills that all of us should do in addition to the performance workouts.
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    Cleave,

    What you say I know to be true, not from first had experience but from observation. I also know that I do not possess those skills to a great enough degree to safely participate in a significantly competitive event where speeds and close riding are involved. I am also very risk averse. That is why I have chosen the hill climb as my venue, I know because of my build I will never be a good climber, but I figure I am racing against the clock and the mountain itself and if I can do a little better each time that's all I care about.

    At 7 or 8 mph with riders spaced out there is not much danger in a high speed pileup. At the end there is as much satisfaction of just making it to the top as there is in what your time was or what your standing was.

    You guys are incredible with what you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    Tandemnh, It sounds like you did great. What was your time and place?
    I played it a bit conservative as I wasn't sure what to expect for my first time "racing" against the clock.

    My time was 1 hr 36 min 10 sec. I finished 108, funny thing is, my assigned number was 108. If only they assigned me #1, I would have won the race!!

    I was pleased with the time as a friend who is 24 pounds lighter, a year younger, rides a very nice Trek 6.9 and is in similar very good riding shape, out paced me by 3.5 minutes.

    Chasing after his times is a great motivator.

    We are putting together several rides for the summer and will go back and reride the race several times over the summer to prepare for next year's race.

    We are currently planning a century (Loon Mtn to Londonerry, NH) for a warm up to ride the Mt Washington century we are also planning for later in the summer.

    We seem to drive one another to keep improving.

    Thanks for the pre-ride training tips and for the supportive words.

    More to follow.
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    tandemnh, Nice effort and result on your race. Reads like you hit your mark and will extend yourself for more race efforts. Training partners are great to have. I am lucky in that there is a core group of guys who all progressed from hanging on the back of the local club rides to using the club ride as recovery days. Via email and text messages we communicate our ride intentions and usually will hook up. The competition and companionship's help greatly in getting hard workouts completed.
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    Congrat's tandemnh... way to go.

    I'm back from San Diego... You guys missed the opportunities to have your muscularity and degree of soreness determined, as that would have been when Coach was checking my fit Friday. She gave a me a thumbs up, then we got in a short ride together, and she told me I need to bend my arms more when OTS, and to make sure I'm comfortable going OTS in the drops (which I do in crits or crit-like situations).

    The SD Century was a good hard ride. I had a disconnect with a couple I was supposed to meet there, so took I off alone a few minutes after the start opened, then promptly missed a turn - one little arrow on a 30+ downhill run that I blew right past. I realized I was no longer catching people, and in an area I couldn't remember having seen on the map or cue sheet. So, my 103 miles turned into 110 :-) Total of 6,500' of climbing. Joined a trio from a local team for quite awhile, but they dropped me on the long climb to Romona, after I had pulled them for miles, too! LOL, that's how it works. Beautiful route, but with a couple of sketchy areas where I feared for the safety of those unaccustomed to mixing in with traffic. TSS of about 360 using HR data (PM is at Quarq).

    Now I start prepping for the Bike the Bluff Omnium June 18/19: RR and Crit at high altitude. Anyone have an extra lung they can loan me?
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    Okay, I have a racing question from an non-racer perspective.

    I would like to try a ladies criterium, for old gals, just to check it out and say I did it. I know full well I'll go off the back after about two laps, but me being stubborn (a characteristic I inherited from my mom), I'd probably try to finish.

    Are there crits for SLOW people? Or, is that like asking is there a Indy 500 for Smart-Car drivers??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Okay, I have a racing question from an non-racer perspective.

    I would like to try a ladies criterium, for old gals, just to check it out and say I did it. I know full well I'll go off the back after about two laps, but me being stubborn (a characteristic I inherited from my mom), I'd probably try to finish.

    Are there crits for SLOW people? Or, is that like asking is there a Indy 500 for Smart-Car drivers??

    Thnx!! ~~ Sara
    There is no bike racing for slow people. That is an oxymoron. If you are less fit, you finish with a slower time and farther back in the pack. You may want to check USA Cycling for local races. www.usacycling.org. Women have very limited choices. You will be a Cat 4. The open Cat 4 women are very strong. The other category that sometimes appears is Cat 4, 35+ age category. That is going to be a very fast group as well. The reality is that you will race with others who could be your grand children. In criteriums, the officials pull slow racers off the course as a safety matter.

    We just had the Senior Games a few weeks ago that had a road race and a couple of time trials. It starts at 50 years old and then has categories 50 to 54, 55 to 59, and etc. The competition was really good. No slow people there either. It is more like entering an Indy 500 with a formula one car with a lawn mower engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    There is no bike racing for slow people. That is an oxymoron. If you are less fit, you finish with a slower time and farther back in the pack. You may want to check USA Cycling for local races. www.usacycling.org. Women have very limited choices. You will be a Cat 4. The open Cat 4 women are very strong. The other category that sometimes appears is Cat 4, 35+ age category. That is going to be a very fast group as well. The reality is that you will race with others who could be your grand children. In criteriums, the officials pull slow racers off the course as a safety matter.

    We just had the Senior Games a few weeks ago that had a road race and a couple of time trials. It starts at 50 years old and then has categories 50 to 54, 55 to 59, and etc. The competition was really good. No slow people there either. It is more like entering an Indy 500 with a formula one car with a lawn mower engine.
    I suspected as much, but I thought I'd ask.

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    Reading through the list on the USA Cycling site gives me the willies! I'd really be in over my head. Oh, well - I can do the bike portion of the triathlons that I participate in and be happy there. I'll be satisfied watching helmet cam videos on YouTube of criteriums. That way I don't have to worry about crashing!
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    Sara, You can always buy a Cat 4 license and race in hill climbs and time trials. They are as safe or safer than riding on the road. You are always allowed to finish a TT or hill climb and are generally alone on the course against the clock. Some hill climbs are mass start races but quickly degrade to small groups or individuals riding slow (because of being on a hill). Criteriums require a lot of bike handling skills and are very fast with very fast cornering. Even public race criteriums, not requiring a license, will be fast with very fast cornering.

    My wife and I have focused on track racing 500 meters, pursuit and team pursuit and hill climbs and TTs on the road. We limit our exposure to mass start races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    Sara, You can always buy a Cat 4 license and race in hill climbs and time trials. They are as safe or safer than riding on the road. You are always allowed to finish a TT or hill climb and are generally alone on the course against the clock. Some hill climbs are mass start races but quickly degrade to small groups or individuals riding slow (because of being on a hill). Criteriums require a lot of bike handling skills and are very fast with very fast cornering. Even public race criteriums, not requiring a license, will be fast with very fast cornering.

    My wife and I have focused on track racing 500 meters, pursuit and team pursuit and hill climbs and TTs on the road. We limit our exposure to mass start races.
    Thank you for that! I have been told by one of the gals in the club I ride with that criteriums are "crazy". I have been invited, as well, to come to the Hellyer Velodrome in San Jose and "check it out". Another club member, who races there, seems to think I'd enjoy it and do well (which I really don't get!). I would like to try a time trial, thank you for that suggestion.

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    Stupid question number 3B (don't you guys hate chicks who know NOTHING?). I'm looking at the Steve Dunlap Memorial TT up in Davis, CA on June 5th. I see there are only Cat 1&2 and then Cat 3&4 for women. There are more men's groups. When I run a 10K or tri, there is a women's Masters category (age 55 and up), and I see there is a Masters category on the TT, too - but it's just for men. Does that mean I'd have to ride as a Cat 4 if I entered it?? That's presumptuous!
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    From the USAC rulebook: "1C11. One-Day Licenses
    For road, track, and cyclocross, riders may purchase a one-day license and be permitted to enter races open to men's category 5 (category 4 cyclocross) or (for women) women's category 4. Such riders do not become members and may not enter championship events."

    I HAVE to enter as a Cat 4. That answered the question!
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    Hi Sara,

    There are races for older Masters (50+) that are both USAC and non-USAC. For instance, tomorrow, Tuesday, May 24th, and Wednesday, May 25th, are the Pasadena Senior Games. My teammate who is proud to be a 72 year-old Masters woman will be racing with some women in her age grade. There will also be women starting at 50. This competition is much more low key and I think it's a good way to get a taste of mass start racing.

    Of course there will be some women in the youngest categories who have been racing for a number of years and are competitive with younger women but they generally take off early and kind of race by themselves.

    Also, the Cyclo-Vets, a Masters club in San Diego (actually Carlsbad) traditionally conducts a weekend of racing for Masters who are over 60. Again, this tends to be a little more low key than a normal USAC weekend race.

    As Hermes recommended, you can also enter a time trial and even though you'd generally be racing as a Cat 4 woman, sometimes there are some Masters Women classifications. Regardless, you don't have to worry about mixing it up in a pack of experienced racers.

    Hope this helps.
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    Cleave, In the Senior Games, they combined all the 50+ women together in the road race and scored them separately. This is what typically happens for the women's older age groups.
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