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    cyclinfool, AJ, and AzTR, glad to see that all of you dug deep this past weekend and came away the better for it.

    Sara and Red Rider, I am sure that both of you will have a great time at the track.

    No racing for me this past weekend which was fine. I rode 80 miles to my parents' house. My family met me there and my sister and youngest brother were there to celebrate Father's Day.

    At our local Tuesday evening race I decided to race the Masters 40+ instead of the Pro/1/2/3 race. My teammates who usually help push the pace in the Masters decided to do the Pro race. [/startrant] It kind of kills me that people go to these races and just soft pedal until the prime sprints and last lap. I tried a bunch of different tactics to make a break stick or to split the pack. Someone told me it almost worked one time. I think we ended up dropping about half the starting field of 40 or so riders. There was one other guy who worked a bit but other than him, people were content to sit at the front at 21-22 MPH. I even just sat at the front for 1 mile at 24-25 MPH to try to get some momentum going but no one would pull through after I pulled off. We barely managed to pull out a 24 MPH average speed but at this time of year we should be looking at 26 MPH for an average. A friend of mine from another team asked me what kind of drugs I've been taking. I told him they weren't working well enough since I couldn't make a break stick. But seriously, there are no upgrade points, no cash prizes, and no podium girls. There are just series points. So why can't people push themselves a bit? Really, all I want is the opportunity to try some race tactics and work hard. [/endrant]

    BTW, don't get me going on photography. I spent too much time in a photo forum before I found BF.

    Also, I used to get up to Yosemite about once each year. Now I haven't been there in 20 years. I have a couple of Half Dome stories that I'd be happy to tell in-person over a beer.
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    AJ,

    I think I would have called it quits - great save!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    I don't understand why the crank would come off today. The last time it was off was about a month ago when I took it off and greased and re-tightened it when I was searching for a ticking sound. I hope one of our local LBS's will have the cap for the Dura Ace crankset.
    When something similar happened to me, right after I got the Gunnar (FSA crankset), it stripped the threads in the cap, so be sure to check the threads in the crank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    When something similar happened to me, right after I got the Gunnar (FSA crankset), it stripped the threads in the cap, so be sure to check the threads in the crank.
    I did and it looked like half of the teeth inside the crank arm were worn off. I went online to see what a new crank arm cost. Holy S*** Batman!!! $195- 225!!! for the single arm.

    However an image of the crank arm showed teeth on about 50% of the inner surface, just like mine. The threads for the cap are OK also. I now need to find a cap. I already put my old Sram crank back on the bike and didn't have to do anything with the derailleur as it shifts into the big ring. I'll have the LBS install the Dura Ace crank if and when I get the cap.
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    R'Rider, That is definitely hot and kill it on the TT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rider View Post
    Tomorrow is our bi-weekly TT practice. I plan to ride the 15 mi. to the ride, and home again, as warm-up and warm-down.

    It was 104* here today, and will be close to that tomorrow. Finally, summer has arrived!

    Sunday in San Jose is predicted to be 77*. I'm bringing and underlayer and arm-warmers, just in case that feels cold to me.
    77* would be a warm day here! I'll bring arm-warmers, but that's it.

    Red Rider, I'll see you Sunday!

    Oh, I spoke with one of the gals in our club whom I know rides at the Velodrome. Her name is Robin, and she'll be there - cheering section!

    Hey guys, great Yosemite stories and photos. Me, I'm not a photographer, not even close. I used to draw and got reasonable with charcoal and pen and ink as a kid, but I have the creativity of a sofa and I gave up on it out of frustration. As for the YNP, yes, I have also sampled the cable-way! Wow, is that an upper body workout.

    Okay, now back to our regularly scheduled program....

    Cleave, I certainly understand your frustration.

    AJ, I am GLAD you didn't fall - O M G...that was close!!!!!
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    Sara,

    My wife and I made it out to Yosemite a year and a 1/2 ago. Spending most of my career in parks and recreation the national park is sort of a holy grail that I had to encounter. The valley and big trees nearby in the Maricopa Grove are awe inspiring. Although I have absolutely no interest in climbing the rock faces, zip, nada, none!!! I would like to ride my bike down the road out of the park. The late October weather was spectacular and I can still remember everything including the sounds and smells of the forest. If I lived in the area I would also visit several times a year. My wife's favorite part of the vacation was the time we spent along the coast in Montery and Santa Cruz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    Sara,

    My wife and I made it out to Yosemite a year and a 1/2 ago. Spending most of my career in parks and recreation the national park is sort of a holy grail that I had to encounter. The valley and big trees nearby in the Maricopa Grove are awe inspiring. Although I have absolutely no interest in climbing the rock faces, zip, nada, none!!! I would like to ride my bike down the road out of the park. The late October weather was spectacular and I can still remember everything including the sounds and smells of the forest. If I lived in the area I would also visit several times a year. My wife's favorite part of the vacation was the time we spent along the coast in Montery and Santa Cruz.
    AJ, the next time you two are out here, we'll take road bikes to YNP and ride out. That's on my to do list, too. Also, I'll give you the nickle tour of this area. I enjoy doing that!
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    One hour recovery ride this evening. After yesterday's blistering heat, the fog was back and the temperature on the road was 65 degrees and very windy. I was in low gears spinning like a madman. I was on the final leg of the ride and into the wind. i was at 100 watts and glance behind and there is someone drafting me. WTF. I slowed as I approached my car and a woman slow rolled by and thanked me for the draft. I drug her around at z0...Pretty funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    One hour recovery ride this evening. After yesterday's blistering heat, the fog was back and the temperature on the road was 65 degrees and very windy. I was in low gears spinning like a madman. I was on the final leg of the ride and into the wind. i was at 100 watts and glance behind and there is someone drafting me. WTF. I slowed as I approached my car and a woman slow rolled by and thanked me for the draft. I drug her around at z0...Pretty funny.
    At least you got a "thank you", she was probably tired from a long ride and struggling to get back home in the wind.
    It has been rain the last half of the week - will continue into the weekend, riding will be spotty.
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    Ah, she was probably just checking out your butt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    I slowed as I approached my car and a woman slow rolled by and thanked me for the draft. I drug her around at z0...Pretty funny.
    Your z0 might be her z4. I noticed last week when riding with my brother-in-law on z2 rides that his breaking point was when I was riding at 190-200 watts and he was in my draft. He rides mostly hills where he lives in central PA and Ohio's long flats are not his style.

    Was she a cute redhead my any chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    Your z0 might be her z4. I noticed last week when riding with my brother-in-law on z2 rides that his breaking point was when I was riding at 190-200 watts and he was in my draft. He rides mostly hills where he lives in central PA and Ohio's long flats are not his style.

    Was she a cute redhead my any chance?
    No, it was not Red Rider. And my wife was on patrol in the vicinity doing z4s on her TT bike. So I was on best behavior.

    The route was the time trial course which is about 6 miles from our house. It is flat to rolling (1-3% grades) but there is always a stiff breeze that comes from the ocean funneled through a canyon. I suspect she took refuse out of the wind. However, I like the idea that my z0 was her z4. I just need to get that going in the men's Cat 4 peloton.

    Also, as I was spinning up the slight hills in recovery, I had some hairy legged, unattached (I am being kind) men go screaming by me. I bet there will be a post somewhere about dropping dropping a Webcor pro.

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    I guess you're pretty sure that wasn't me!

    Ummm...not the hairy leg person, the, ah, the "drafter"...

    :~)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    I guess you're pretty sure that wasn't me!

    Ummm...not the hairy leg person, the, ah, the "drafter"...

    :~)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    You would have been on your Felt doing speed work getting ready for Sunday.
    Indeedie!

    Wait until I post a picture of what I am going to ride today - you'll ban me from the track!
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    I wanted to race the local Thursday night 8 mile TT this evening. I packed up the bike and supplies intending to go to the TT from work. There were scattered thunder storms in the area so I went home instead. After the rain passed I decided to do my own TT out on the Medina County flatland where I do my intervals. After a good warm up I did my 8 mile TT on the lonesome roads all dressed up in a TT helmet and the wheel disk my boy's got me for Father's Day. I've not done many TT's so tonight was a good indicator of my desire to suffer. On the square course the wind was about 12 mph and one section of road is a 2+ mile false flat with a coarse chip and seal surface that just happened to be into the wind today. It took some discipline to watch the PT on that section rather than look at the mph but I was able to keep the power constant. My goal was to ride at upper L4 and not cook myself early and I was able to do that and averaged 280 watts for the 19:43 effort. The effort hurt but was not killer and I could have continued on for a bit longer. The only problem I had was feed back from the HR monitor. About 1/2 way into the interval it showed my HR in the 180's which is much higher than my HR max of 172. I think the high reading was the result of interference or wind hitting my jersey, the data shows the HR going from 153.8 to 188.6 in 3 seconds then staying up there through the end of the interval. If today's TT were a race I know that I had more to give and am now looking forward to the 8.5 mile TT coming up at the Tour of the Valley Omnium the 2nd weekend in July. My goal for the 8.5 mile TT at the TOV is 20:30 that I believe is obtainable. Last year on my road bike I finished in 23:37 and 20:30 would have made the podium in the Master's race.
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    1.5 hour endurance ride with wife. Hooked up with some friends on the road. Tomorrow is another killer day at the track.
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    AJ, The TT sounded great. Welcome to the sufferfest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    AJ, The TT sounded great. Welcome to the sufferfest.
    I can't imagine doing a 40K TT. It seems the pain on a TT is not proportional to the effort and that is where I need to live. I recall the pain at 280 watts wasn't much different than the 320 watts over the last couple minutes. I wanted the damm thing done after 7 -8 minutes in, it just plain hurts, but the body kept working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    I wanted to race the local Thursday night 8 mile TT this evening. I packed up the bike and supplies intending to go to the TT from work. There were scattered thunder storms in the area so I went home instead. After the rain passed I decided to do my own TT out on the Medina County flatland where I do my intervals. After a good warm up I did my 8 mile TT on the lonesome roads all dressed up in a TT helmet and the wheel disk my boy's got me for Father's Day. I've not done many TT's so tonight was a good indicator of my desire to suffer. On the square course the wind was about 12 mph and one section of road is a 2+ mile false flat with a coarse chip and seal surface that just happened to be into the wind today. It took some discipline to watch the PT on that section rather than look at the mph but I was able to keep the power constant. My goal was to ride at upper L4 and not cook myself early and I was able to do that and averaged 280 watts for the 19:43 effort. The effort hurt but was not killer and I could have continued on for a bit longer. The only problem I had was feed back from the HR monitor. About 1/2 way into the interval it showed my HR in the 180's which is much higher than my HR max of 172. I think the high reading was the result of interference or wind hitting my jersey, the data shows the HR going from 153.8 to 188.6 in 3 seconds then staying up there through the end of the interval. If today's TT were a race I know that I had more to give and am now looking forward to the 8.5 mile TT coming up at the Tour of the Valley Omnium the 2nd weekend in July. My goal for the 8.5 mile TT at the TOV is 20:30 that I believe is obtainable. Last year on my road bike I finished in 23:37 and 20:30 would have made the podium in the Master's race.
    Yes!!!!
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    I think I get myself into a frame of mind the week before an event where psychologically I can't get my body to perform. Everything seems to hurt more, my heart rate is higher, and I just can't seem to get going. For example, I just did a light run, only 3:54 miles, but my legs felt like lead, my heart rate went right to the mid 140's (and I wasn't pushing), and my breathing was labored. I swam yesterday, with the same results. I rode an old Marin cross bike to the pool, and I complained in another thread about the saddle, the clothes I was wearing, and the weight, and the seating position - but, in reality, I couldn't get into the mindset of MOVING, pushing, getting my body to perform.

    Is this normal? Do I need a coach to stay on my heels and snap at me to keep me going, even to make me push myself harder (I can't afford a coach, so that won't happen)?

    I don't know that I will ever race. The idea is appealing, but I know so little about what it takes to get my body to where it will perform (anywhere close to what you fellas say you can do) and perform consistently. Normally, I don't mind the pain, at all. That's why I keep going to climbs that are so difficult for me - there's a satisfaction in seeing improvement, as well as physical gain. But, I just can't push myself to that "next level", and I really don't know how to get there - on my own.

    I've read interviews with elite athletes, and the common answer when they're asked how is it that they can perform as well as they do is "first, you pick your parents. Then, you pick the right genes..." and so on. Me, I know that did NOT happen, especially after reading an interview with Evie Stevens (before she became a cyclist she would go run 12 miles "just because"). She has all the tools, I have an empty box! But, I have the curiosity and the where with all - most of the time.

    So what is it? Is it mindset? Is it ability? Is it physique? Is it all of the above? Finally, is it a pipe dream to want to "try" to improve and maybe even compete?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    I can't imagine doing a 40K TT. It seems the pain on a TT is not proportional to the effort and that is where I need to live. I recall the pain at 280 watts wasn't much different than the 320 watts over the last couple minutes. I wanted the damm thing done after 7 -8 minutes in, it just plain hurts, but the body kept working.
    I competed in our District (State) Championship ITT last year and did a 40 K. It was very hard. Mentally, it is very tough. It is a discipline contained within the sport of cycling. An interesting story... One of my female teammates, competed at our district TT a couple of weeks ago and did a 40K ITT. She broke her own National record for 50 -55. She competed last Saturday at the track and did the 2k pursuit. After the pursuit was over, she said that was much harder than the 40K TT.

    I think all the races in cycling have evolved to being difficult and a tough challenge. Nothing is easy.

    The pursuit is so hard. 2k seems so short so how can it be so difficult. I was a 400 meter runner. You can only run so hard or you fall down. The 2k pursuit is like running 3 x400 meters with no rest interval only you can push yourself into a deeper state of exhaustion.
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    Did another track workout this AM. It was a beautiful day but we had a lot of wind so everything was harder.
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    Sara, the others can give you the benefit of their much greater experience - I can just provide my newbie experience and relate that to what you are going through in your mental gyrations. What I believe happens is that doubts worm their way in (unfortunately sometimes placed their by those close to you!), which leads to anxiety, which leads to stress, which inhibits performance. There are very real physical reactions to stress. Some can help, but most do not, especially with an endurance sport. One thing about stress, that was really pounded into me scuba diving (where stress kills), is that stress is a reaction to something new. If something is unfamiliar, it stresses you out no matter what it is. Once it becomes familiar, it no longer does. So the prospect of competition stresses you out, and that messes with you physically. So much in our minds becomes self-fulfilling.

    By the way, you are already hooked by seeing that improvement that comes through your determination. And that is what it takes. It isn't a pipe dream. I hate to coin a commercial phrase, but "just do it".
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