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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    Yes, ouch! I hope its not the bike.
    Here are a couple of observations about different tracks and track bikes. At Hellyer a 335 meter track, it takes 6 laps to do a 2k pursuit. At Velo Sports Center on the 250 meter track it takes 8 laps for a 2K pursuit and at the 160 meter track it will take 12.5 laps. At the Cleveland track, you will be turning a lot. So control of the bike and riding the black line or inside the black line will be a skill that pays dividends in the form of faster times.

    When sprinting, a lot of sprints will be engaged in the turns and out of the saddle. IMO, that will favor stiff wheels and a stiff frame and fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    Yes, ouch! I hope its not the bike.
    If it's got the stock wheels, the front is prone to set up a wobble when you're really on the gas. Worth getting some tubulars for the track in any case, especially on anything tighter than a 333. I ran a trispoke on mine in the front and the wobble went away. Used Ebay ones are pretty decently priced.

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    TTT Practice this morning with my teammates: Rocket Man, Skeletor, and the Incredible Hulk. It's a strong team of dependable guys. If we can keep things smooth (and not get dropped by the Hulk , we should do well at State's next weekend. We're having Hulk extend his pulls quite a bit to keep him calmed down. There is another team registered that is really strong and experienced. We'll have to really nail it to beat them.
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    Saturday and Sunday were somewhat BS for me. On Saturday, i set up the trainer and did a simulated track session since I was supported MEA in the afternoon at the track for her women's team pursuit practice. She raced on Sunday and I did some endurance riding while she was on the course. Monday was an hour endurance ride.

    Today, I was back at the track for some 8 lap motor paced intervals 3 behind the motor, 500 meters by myself and 3 1/2 behind the motor. I did a couple of flying one laps and a warm down.

    It is supposed to be hot today but when I got up this AM it was 51 degrees at the house. It was cool at the track and got up to 70 when I left.
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    Here is a belated extended weekend training report:

    Ex has my training focused on the 5K and 10K TT efforts used in the Senior Games, so I can get qualified for the party at Jet's house next year. The state TTT and ITT the next two Sundays have become afterthoughts.

    After Saturday's TTT practice, I spent the rest of the day rearranging rooms with the wife. Another child off to college meant shifting things around, and now we have a weight room! Well, according to the youngest, what we have is a room with some weights in it. Sometime during that, the dog got something he shouldn't have, and I made an unfortunate choice when deciding how to get it from him. Apparently it was so special it shut off his training, as normally he will drop things when cued. Anyway, the result was some broken skin, which I immediately washed, cleansed with H2O2 and treated with Neosporin. Seemingly no big deal - on with the day, which I was using to buy the time I wanted for Sunday.

    Sunday morning I did trial runs of the 5K and 10K, on a nice flat stretch, with a moderate tailwind out; headwind back. I was close to my target power for the 5K, which I did in 7:28. After 15' of recovery, I tackled the 10K, and was way off the power target for the 15:35 it took. I spent the rest of the day working on marginal gains. I put ceramic bearings (went with VCRCbike.com) in my Zipps, and mounted the wheelbuilder.com covers for the first time.

    Woke up in the middle of the night with my hand hurting like mad. Examining it Monday morning, there was some swelling that we decided was likely from the trauma.

    Holiday ride was 2x10's, then 30' of top gear strength work. I did them with the racing wheels on, to check things out and break in the new bearings. I then spent the day, and I do mean all of it, swapping cockpits on the TT bike. The 3T Aura that came on the bike is nice, but has limited adjust-ability. I needed to be able to get the armrest pads back a bit, maybe widen them about 1cm, and eliminate some wrist stress that has been causing tingling and numbness in my left pinkie finger. When I got it done, the aero shifter didn't feel right, so I stopped where I was before tuning it up, deciding to let the wrench at the shop, who I know well and is excellent, finish things.

    Woke up in the middle of the night with the hand throbbing, and with chills.

    Knowing I'd be making a doctor's appointment, I did my training ride before work, rather than on the way to work. It was more power work (highest gear efforts to failure), then some criss-cross type 1' intervals. I was clearly weakened from lack of sleep and the hand stuff.

    Saw the doctor at 11:30 yesterday, after dropping my bike off at the shop. Got a shot of heavy duty antibiotic, a prescription, a referral to a hand surgeon, and instructions that if it got worse before I could see the surgeon, I should head immediately to an emergency room. "This is kind of an emergency, Jim. You didn't think to maybe go to an urgent care clinic?" "Um... nope. It was fine for a day and a half, then... um." Anyway, so far no emergency room visit, as it isn't getting worse, and I think it's getting better. So I did an hour of pace work on the TT bike this morning (had gotten the bike back that afternoon), mostly up on the base bars because the armrests shifted to where I couldn't use them. Looks like they'll need more than the prescribed torque the wrench used. I also found some configuration changes that needed to be made, which I did this afternoon, taking advantage of my convalescence shortened work day.

    I see the surgeon finally tomorrow afternoon (that's what is considered an emergency appt. in our healthcare environment, huh?) , and am hopefull it will merely be confirmation that I'm winning the battle with the infection and don't need to be admitted for surgery and IV antibiotics!

    TallWife has reminded me I no longer have a brain, but my experience, since I started really training, is that workouts actually improve my immune system response and help me to fight off infections. As far as my handling of the dog - well, that was just totally brainless!
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    AZT, I hope the hand is better. Take care of yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    AZT, I hope the hand is better. Take care of yourself.
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    Monday found my neck and trapezius muscles were sore so we took the tandem out for a 25+ mi. ride to our favorite bike-friendly cafe for lunch, then home through the orchards; i.e., the long way.

    c_gallagh was feeling frisky and pushed the pace a bit; I stood on a slight incline and felt my adductors start cramping. We immediately dialed it back. I was surprised at the odd places in which I was sore.

    Tuesday I was sore in triceps/wrist muscles, as well as various core muscles, so I took the day off. Today was multiple meetings, learning how to bid on a HUD home -- and then bidding on it -- and then reading the CA Assoc. of REALTORS (R) economic forecast (since as my local AOR president-elect I sit on the CAR Board of Directors). Two glasses of wine have eased the pain in the brain from the reading, and I'll be back on the bike tomorrow afternoon/evening, depending how many offers I need to write.
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    Get well soon, AZT. You are going to qualify...don't you worry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    AZT, I hope the hand is better. Take care of yourself.
    +3 x 10!!!!

    Can I be your wife for a sentence? "Why didn't you go Urgent Care the same day??"

    Get better, my friend!
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    Hope the hand is healing for you AZTR. I've found that my colds and infections are reduced but once I do get one the symptoms are much worse. Earlier this summer I got a blister on the side of my finger while pulling vinyl covered cable while working at the velodrome. A blister is no big deal but a few days later my finger swelled up, my back and knees got stiff and on the bike high end performance was lacking. That resulted in a quick trip to the doctor for antibiotics.

    Good luck at the Senior Games. Are you doing the RR's too? When the TT's are really starting to put you in the pain cave and you want to back off the gas, think about the party you might miss.

    Unfortunately, I will not be racing the TT at the National Senior Games as my finishes were 6th and 7th… cough, cough…
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    I'm back on track.

    Tuesday's ride was excellent - not in so far as performance or hitting targets went, but as in how good I felt. Well, I did ride well, too. Warmup went well, normally, then it was increase the efforts and try to stay with my G/F Donna (who is a "retired" crit gal and coach), which I DID. I was making 370 watts for over a mile at 26 MPH to stay with her. That effort kind of blew me up, but that was intended, for two reasons - first, could I do it? - yes; second - how was the recovery? - two minutes from 157 BPM to under 100 BPM. And, I felt good and ready for more after the recovery. And I did more - the whole ride (40 miles all told), including the climb up Barloy Canyon Road (no snaking, just straight up averaging 7 MPH), and then the field sprint at the end of the ride.

    Yesterday I went to spin class with renewed vigor (that sounds awfully Shakespearean). I did hit all of the targets, did all of the efforts, and kept the friction high and the cadence reasonable. OTS efforts, even high cadence, went very, very well. Heart rate recovery was under two minutes, but I don't consider that valid because the max BPM was only 132. However, I did warm up faster than I had been, and my recoveries WERE quicker.

    I contacted my coach yesterday (and I sent him the .csv file from the Tuesday PT ride) and said "let's start again September 18 (or somewhere in there). I WILL be ready!"

    Everyone - good luck this weekend!!!!!!
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    Glad you feeling back in the game Sara. The rest you had will continue to show it's effects.
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    Gratz Sara!

    Hand is definitely better... whew!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    Good luck at the Senior Games. Are you doing the RR's too? When the TT's are really starting to put you in the pain cave and you want to back off the gas, think about the party you might miss.

    Unfortunately, I will not be racing the TT at the National Senior Games as my finishes were 6th and 7th… cough, cough…
    I'm signed up for all 4 events, and that's the plan. Whether I race them all will depend on how I do in the 5K the first day. It's the first race. We'll evaluate that effort, and go from there. Frankly, mixing it up with you guys in the RR's is what sounds like the most fun, so I really want to qualify for those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    I'm signed up for all 4 events, and that's the plan. Whether I race them all will depend on how I do in the 5K the first day. It's the first race. We'll evaluate that effort, and go from there. Frankly, mixing it up with you guys in the RR's is what sounds like the most fun, so I really want to qualify for those.
    I felt that way In the first RR once qualifed the rest was fun.
    Don't forget that I age up to the Precambrian Division, you are still in Jurrasic. There will be two of my team mates in your race that can work with you. Secret teams may be the ticket.

    Our 5k TT ended up being 3.3 miles due to the organizer not wanting to move the finish line equipment and an intersection that would have required a 90 degree turn about 100 meters into the race.
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    Hi, I will say one thing about Sara and AzTR, both of you are incredibly driven. In either circumstance, I would have used either trauma as a good reason for a lot of R&R.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
    Hi, I will say one thing about Sara and AzTR, both of you are incredibly driven. In either circumstance, I would have used either trauma as a good reason for a lot of R&R.
    Me? Determined, stubborn, or stupid - take your pick!

    BTW, I rode with my G/F Barb yesterday. We did nothing but climbing! It was a great workout. She WILL BE in Salt Lake - look her up! She's a monster!!
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    AZT, When we did the Sr Games ITT, the organizers designed a "stupid", "silly", "Tourista" course. I cannot find a word that makes sense. We have an excellent TT course that has a great out and back on a two lane highway with wide bike lanes. The Sr. Games organizers set up four lanes at the start on the same road. For the 10K, there were two laps. So there was a normal turnaround for the first 2.5K. When the racer came back to the start, he was faced with a really narrow turnaround constrained by steel fence like the kind used to contain crowds in bike races. So many racers slowed too much so that they would not hit the barriers.

    Take away... You may have a different course but cone turnaround technique and acceleration was at a premium at ours. I remember the course in LA was equally quirky in other ways. Part of the problem is they run both the 5k and 10k on the same course.
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    Thanks for the heads up, Hermes. I have no idea what to expect with the courses, but at least the 5K and 10K are on different days. I'm hoping that whomover is running things has USAC experience, and doesn't do anything inherently stupid or dangerous. Ex has had me doing things like starting at 40rpm in the 53-11, then doing a max effort to failure. Took me 6 reps over two workouts to finally understand what he meant by 'failure' (basically, falling over as you scream in agony), but I'm finally doing that drill properly. Ay, Carumba! But that, gym work, and other drills including turnarounds, should have me accelerating decently. Thinking about it, I may fare pretty well if they do a 'tourista' course.

    Either way, I'm looking forward to it. While I'm new to the TT thing, I've been focusing on it, improving my TT fitness, getting the bike up to snuff, refining position, etc. Sunday is the state TTT, with the ITT the week after. Competition will be fierce. TT's seem to really suit us old guys, and I can't believe some of the times guys throw down. 3 weeks after the ITT I'll be in Vegas for Jet-Party qualification.

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    The Sr Games course, organizers and refs, starters, holders (if you have one) and participants are a total crap shoot and out of your control so forget about it. You will beat all the touristas in the TTs but it depends on how many USA cycling racing TT specialists show up in your age group and how well you do against them. The same is true in the mass start events. Being positive, I think you have a great chance to win a spot for nationals. The key is to race safe and do not let the touristas crash you out and do no get distracted by the lack of USCF cycling organization and participation.

    The older racers keep getting faster. Ex and his tandem partner would have placed 3rd at nationals in the 110+ which seems wrong. My teammate (age 66) and his partner (won nationals last year) bettered Ex's tandem time by 3 seconds and they were beat by a team from New Mexico by 2 minutes. I want some New Mexico water.
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    Yep... there will be a lot of touristas, and no doubt a few really fast folks. Just depends on who shows up, and, especially in the crit length 'road races', what the courses look like and how the races pan out. I'm pretty sure I'll be encouraged to get the heck off the front (and out of danger) and stay there.
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    AZTR, looking at past NV results qualifying may not be too difficult in your division. One thing to keep in mind in the RR is that you are not a threat to NV residents. If you place in the top 4 it doesn't count for one of their's. I suggest you make friends with strong looking NV guys. If you go off the front by your self they shouldn't care. However the touristas will chase and others will come to. For some the main reason for racing is for next year, others want medals. The RR's in OH we're chess matches with two teams well represented and all others at a huge disadvantage. You can do well having a secret team.
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    My today was riding the cross bike in overgear for 1.5 hrs. Tomorrows ride is 2 hrs Z2 on the MTB for skills. We are supposed to get 1-2 inches of rain through tomorrow so I changed up my ride. I rode the cross bike in overhear for 2 hrs on a new flowing MTB trail in Strongsville. It takes some good driving over the roots and rocks with a cross bike since there is no suspension. The ride went well the first 1/2 hr then the thunder storms began. I decided to continue riding, due in part to Velomanti Rule #9 "riding in bad weather makes you badass. Period." on a cross bike, on a MTB trail, in the pouring rain makes me double badassed.... At least in AJ land.
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    Thanks for the tips, AJ. I'll study past results for clues to who I should watch or work with, and do the usual scoping of the competition. You know, highlight anyone with striped sleeves, cross out anyone with hairy legs. And I'll make sure they all know I'm out-of-state. I have to beat them, but they don't have to beat me. That does sort of spell breakaway, doesn't it? I'm hoping a NV guy that comes to Arizona a lot races, as he'd make a great breakaway partner. But any Cali hotshots listening - please stay the heck away!
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