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    I committed to Saturday's Folsom crit without checking the weather. It has a 35+ 3/4 race and I'm trying to help a couple of guys upgrade so I volunteered to do the dirty work and lead out. Looks like 100% chance of rain and 20mph wind. Yay! I will probably race my Open Pro training wheels rather than risk the poor braking on my carbon wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
    Don't know if you remember, but at the Poor College Kids Road Race last year, the road was still pretty wet for the first lap of the 55+/60+ race. Might as well have been raining. If I were facing a road course with a fast, technical downhill, I would have passed.
    That race is burned into my memory, but it has nothing to do with any rain. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    I know the feeling going into hard workouts when things go South. On those days I do a mock first interval at around 90% then convince myself the rest is doable. I do Crit intervals and short group races in a local graveyard.

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    Here is what I'm calling the "Church Lady Crit Course". May check it out tomorrow.

    http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4011308

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Here is what I'm calling the "Church Lady Crit Course". May check it out tomorrow.

    http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4011308
    Looks like a winner! At the Graveyard Crit we start and end in front of the "Big Jesus Statue". Where do you plan to get religion?

    A team mate of mine host a three week Crit series at his mega church's parking lot. It's called the Chapel Series.
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    4 x 9 min on/off last night at 95%
    Knowing I'll be off the bike for an extended time is making it hard to get motivated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    I've usually done well racing in the rain. I don't trust the tubulars so I race the GP4000s.
    Shovel, I'll have my Eastons with the GP4000s mounted on each. I'll have my tubulars, too. If it's raining, like coming down, no race. If it's wet, I'll put the Eastons on and give it a go. My biggest concern is the 180 degree turn just after the start finish. It's at the top of the hill, so there is bunching up there. If it's slippery - yow!!! Me = avoid that!

    Cleave, I do remember wet at Poor College Kids. After AzT's crash, Ex took me around the course backwards. That wooded section was pretty damp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Here is what I'm calling the "Church Lady Crit Course". May check it out tomorrow.

    http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4011308
    AzT, THAT looks like a fun course!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    I've usually done well racing in the rain. I don't trust the tubulars so I race the GP4000s.
    I rode my tubulars last time I raced in the rain, and it was costly. Water got inside the rear wheel, and the only way to get it out was to replace the tire. When doing so, I found a thorn causing a slow leak (rain always gets fresh thorns in the road), so I didn't feel quite as bad about replacing it. But no more tubulars in the rain for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Here is what I'm calling the "Church Lady Crit Course". May check it out tomorrow.

    http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4011308
    this is the Chapel Crit course at the mega-church.

    http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4012787
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    I really like my new training program which is reverse periodization and like working out indoors. However, it is pretty boring to others since 90% of my workouts are in the cycling gym on the rollers working with my coach. My new workout for January is 4x20 versus 3x20 with one of the sets a 2x10. The 2x10 features harder shorter intervals which will be done on the track bike. Since starting the program, I have not done any focused work below z3 with most z5 and z6. We continue to work on increasing power and now begin to add volume.

    Last night I was at the gym for more leg work that included a lot of jumping.
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    I bet you will have a great season on the track Hermes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    this is the Chapel Crit course at the mega-church.

    http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4012787
    Looks like a combination of speed and a couple of technical corners.

    I did my sprint drills at the Church Lady course this morning. Works well for that, but the speed bumps behind the church (there because of a pre-school they have) prohibit a consistent all out effort. Well, one of them does. Narrow gap, curb, and a drain... I was taking it at ~15-16, resting since I was doing the sprints on the other side, and could push that up to 20 or so. I'll be using it, but it doesn't solve the 20' test or 5' flat out issues I have when staying close to home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Looks like a combination of speed and a couple of technical corners.

    I did my sprint drills at the Church Lady course this morning. Works well for that, but the speed bumps behind the church (there because of a pre-school they have) prohibit a consistent all out effort. Well, one of them does. Narrow gap, curb, and a drain... I was taking it at ~15-16, resting since I was doing the sprints on the other side, and could push that up to 20 or so. I'll be using it, but it doesn't solve the 20' test or 5' flat out issues I have when staying close to home.
    I do my TT testing on this route. I should call it the "Nevada TT". It has three right-of-way turns and a curvey zig zag when changing counties. Plus it's out in the country with little to no traffic.

    http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2443354
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    I bet you will have a great season on the track Hermes.
    We will see how the program works for the season. I am optimistic that I will improve my event times from last year. One thing I really like is getting rid of the FTP testing and associated construct. My genetics do not seem to match up with that paradigm. On Tuesday, after a 10 minute HIT session on the rollers, my coach says, "for the next session ride at this power and cadence for as long as you can." My legs were toast after the HIT interval and the power he wanted was hard. When you turn the goal upside down and hold constant power and go for time, it seems a lot different. One does not want to give up or stop so you keep going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Shovel, I'll have my Eastons with the GP4000s mounted on each. I'll have my tubulars, too. If it's raining, like coming down, no race. If it's wet, I'll put the Eastons on and give it a go.
    Air down 10 pounds.

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    Hard workout for me today. Four sets of 5x30" sprint intervals, 30 seconds RBI, two minutes RBS, each set preceded by a ten second stomp. It bleepin' hurt. I've been concentrating on getting ready for Rouge-Roubaix; my coach is starting to include stuff targeting my races after that, all of which include crits. I'm kinda glad I didn't have power for this workout, because I think the last two sets were somewhat pitiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Air down 10 pounds.
    I normally run 120 in those tires. 100 - 110?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    I normally run 120 in those tires. 100 - 110?
    Dang, Sara, I run 100f/110r in 700x23s, and I've got 45 lbs. on you. You didn't ask me, but yeah, I'd drop to 100, maybe less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    I normally run 120 in those tires. 100 - 110?
    Way too high. I run 105/100 in the dry on smooth roads for training, drop 5 pounds for crummy roads, and 10 pounds for wet.

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    I weigh 188#, and run the same pressure Shovel does, at least for crits - you don't want to be sliding out. I used to run them much harder, until I got edumacated. For a RR, I push it up 5-10psi because corners are rarely an issue, and I want the least rolling resistance. I believe when I ran Zipps the recommendation was 115 and 110 for best resistance, but that's a really harsh, slippery ride. I'm guessing my Bont. wheels are similar - haven't looked for a recommendation on them, since it would be higher than I want to go when cornering is involved.

    And remember that Shovel is a cornering machine... the man knows of what he speaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    I weigh 188#, and run the same pressure Shovel does, at least for crits - you don't want to be sliding out. I used to run them much harder, until I got edumacated. For a RR, I push it up 5-10psi because corners are rarely an issue, and I want the least rolling resistance. I believe when I ran Zipps the recommendation was 115 and 110 for best resistance, but that's a really harsh, slippery ride. I'm guessing my Bont. wheels are similar - haven't looked for a recommendation on them, since it would be higher than I want to go when cornering is involved.

    And remember that Shovel is a cornering machine... the man knows of what he speaks.
    He is and does!

    And so do you.

    I've ALWAYS run my tires 115-120. Okay, I'll run them lower in dry (100-110) and for wet, what, 90?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    Dang, Sara, I run 100f/110r in 700x23s, and I've got 45 lbs. on you. You didn't ask me, but yeah, I'd drop to 100, maybe less.
    I asked you! Did too.

    Consensus.

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    I'd go 90-85, were I you... but you are you, and you also have a very knowledgeable coach. :-)

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    Untested changes to a bike right before a big event.... typically a bad idea. I agree with lowering the tire pressure 10 pounds for wet roads. When I did the Madera Stage Race in 2010, it poured rain the night before and we had an early crit on Saturday morning. My coach at the time, a Level I USA Cycling coach, was racing at the event as well and told us to reduce the tire pressure by 10 pounds. At race time, the roads were damp but not wet. They were dried up by the wind.

    Going from 120 psig to 90 pigs is a big change and may affect the handling and cornering of the bike and at a minimum will feel different.
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    Hermes, good point!
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