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sarals 03-27-14 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTallRider (Post 16617265)
Here is what a physiologist I really respect says about breathing:

The Importance of Breathing: Sigma Human Performance - Nutrition+Endurance+Performance

That article certainly reinforces what I felt yesterday. I don't know what my BPM rate was, I'll have to pay attention, but it was certainly much higher than my "normal" gasping for air rate.

Hermes 03-28-14 08:54 AM

Funny, I read about the CO2 somewhere else as well. However, I think it is all about throughput. Many athletes have a tendency to hold their breath or breathe too shallow. Also, it takes power to breathe and forceful breathing will take energy. I suspect that getting the breathing right is similar to all things in sport, it is a matter of genetics and practice. Some athletes will just have better CO2 rejection than others and less acidic buildup. Also, in genetics, genes may or may not express themselves meaning one has a particular gene but it is not functioning. And that is also can be a good thing if the gene is a cause of an incurable disease. My genetic theory is that certain types of practice and training turn on genes so experimentation is good.

Good luck on the TT.

IBOHUNT 03-28-14 11:34 AM

I'm back after they removed part of my collar bone... I'll never miss 1/2" - sort of. Still not allowed to be on the bike outside until middle of May :mad:
I'll be doing a Trainer Road FTP session and then start some half baked build this weekend. I suspect it's going to be pretty ugly.

revchuck 03-28-14 05:14 PM

Glad to see you back! Bummer about the collarbone issue, though.

AzTallRider 03-28-14 05:15 PM

Anyone else upping the pH of their water, or in general trying to shift their balance towards the alkaline side? I am - more for general health than any expectation it will improve my cycling, but it could.

On the "breathing hard uses energy front", I'm sure that's true. BUT, I believe it is a more affordable expenditure than anything involving your legs, or your brain. If I have to burn some extra calories to pay for reduced lactate buildup, and the resulting lowering of blood pH, I'll pay the energy price. I know it's a debated topic, but I've decided to go with Dr. Ben on this one.

AzTallRider 03-28-14 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by revchuck (Post 16621229)
Glad to see you back! Bummer about the collarbone issue, though.

+1

IBOHUNT 03-28-14 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revchuck (Post 16621229)
Glad to see you back! Bummer about the collarbone issue, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzTallRider (Post 16621236)
+1

Thanks, just wish I was allowed on the bike.

sarals 03-29-14 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revchuck (Post 16621229)
Glad to see you back! Bummer about the collarbone issue, though.

+2!!

sarals 03-29-14 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzTallRider (Post 16621232)
Anyone else upping the pH of their water, or in general trying to shift their balance towards the alkaline side? I am - more for general health than any expectation it will improve my cycling, but it could.

On the "breathing hard uses energy front", I'm sure that's true. BUT, I believe it is a more affordable expenditure than anything involving your legs, or your brain. If I have to burn some extra calories to pay for reduced lactate buildup, and the resulting lowering of blood pH, I'll pay the energy price. I know it's a debated topic, but I've decided to go with Dr. Ben on this one.

I agree. I worked on it this morning during a pace ride, and it seems to require more concentration and more exertion, but the exertion is negligible compared to what else I'm doing.

I was trying to see if the "exhaust breathing" was really working. It seems to be. I allowed some lactate buildup and then started the rapid BPM's with forceful exhale and within five breaths on average I could feel a drop in the lactate level. I'm pretty sure this will work for me, and maybe even be a benefit. Time will tell.

IBOHUNT 03-29-14 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sarals (Post 16622871)
+2!!

Thanks Sara.

IBOHUNT 03-29-14 04:29 PM

Did my FTP test with Trainer Road. Ug. I like how it will automatically give you your FTP and LTHR.

What I didn't care for was the pop-up that asked me which type of beach cruiser bike I wanted to buy :mad::mad::mad:

OK, I get it. I'm at 1.FAT W/Kg.

sarals 04-01-14 08:55 AM

It's looking like my training is shifting. I started intervals yesterday. I did okay, until the third one, and I couldn't finish it. It's just the beginning.

sarals 04-01-14 09:10 AM

What I've done the last 28 days. Lots of base.

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/...psa101760e.jpg

sarals 04-01-14 09:21 AM

Here's further breakdown. I'm not giving away any secrets, everyone knows I'm nothing special. Just hard headed.

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/...pscfaa3d1a.jpg

revchuck 04-01-14 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sarals (Post 16631354)
Here's further breakdown. I'm not giving away any secrets, everyone knows I'm nothing special. Just hard headed.

But...I thought you piloted a short helicopter...

sarals 04-01-14 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by revchuck (Post 16631443)
But...I thought you piloted a short helicopter...

That's a "petite" helicopter.....

;)

shovelhd 04-01-14 11:09 AM

Looks pretty big to me, but it's no Mi-26.

sarals 04-01-14 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shovelhd (Post 16631777)
Looks pretty big to me, but it's no Mi-26.

That's for sure. An Mi-26 could run right over my EC135 and never even feel a bump. "I think we hit a bug..."

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/...psc7e4d098.jpg

IBOHUNT 04-01-14 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarals (Post 16631978)
That's for sure. An Mi-26 could run right over my EC135 and never even feel a bump. "I think we hit a bug..."

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/...psc7e4d098.jpg

Wow!

IBOHUNT 04-01-14 08:37 PM

Went to the Doc and he told me NO bike, not even a trainer unless I can do it one handed; which I could do but don't feel like it so it's just on my feet work. Mid May can't get here soon enough.

8.2 miles of ru**i*g. I forgot how much that activity sucks.

shovelhd 04-01-14 08:38 PM

You should hear it.

Cleave 04-01-14 11:38 PM

Skipped the mid-week race as it was windy and I couldn't bring myself to race in those conditions after this past weekend's stage race travails. Interval at the velodrome instead. Z1 90 sec, Z2 30 sec, Z3 90 sec, Z4 30 sec X 6 per set X 2 sets. Warm up plus the intervals added up to 27 miles. Skipped the motor game.

Racer Ex 04-02-14 12:43 AM

Still sick.

sarals 04-02-14 09:52 AM

Going out for a JRA. The weather wouldn't allow it yesterday. It's pretty cold out, 46 degrees, wet roads. No wind, though.

sarals 04-02-14 01:46 PM

Went out and did this today. I'm still not ready to pronounce it a breakthrough, but the breathing change seems to be making a difference. Today, I did not load up. I got tired, but that was different than my legs just shutting down, which is what they usually do on a climb. I'm starting to get encouraged!


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