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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Here is what a physiologist I really respect says about breathing:

    The Importance of Breathing: Sigma Human Performance - Nutrition+Endurance+Performance
    That article certainly reinforces what I felt yesterday. I don't know what my BPM rate was, I'll have to pay attention, but it was certainly much higher than my "normal" gasping for air rate.
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    Funny, I read about the CO2 somewhere else as well. However, I think it is all about throughput. Many athletes have a tendency to hold their breath or breathe too shallow. Also, it takes power to breathe and forceful breathing will take energy. I suspect that getting the breathing right is similar to all things in sport, it is a matter of genetics and practice. Some athletes will just have better CO2 rejection than others and less acidic buildup. Also, in genetics, genes may or may not express themselves meaning one has a particular gene but it is not functioning. And that is also can be a good thing if the gene is a cause of an incurable disease. My genetic theory is that certain types of practice and training turn on genes so experimentation is good.

    Good luck on the TT.
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    I'm back after they removed part of my collar bone... I'll never miss 1/2" - sort of. Still not allowed to be on the bike outside until middle of May
    I'll be doing a Trainer Road FTP session and then start some half baked build this weekend. I suspect it's going to be pretty ugly.

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    Glad to see you back! Bummer about the collarbone issue, though.
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    Anyone else upping the pH of their water, or in general trying to shift their balance towards the alkaline side? I am - more for general health than any expectation it will improve my cycling, but it could.

    On the "breathing hard uses energy front", I'm sure that's true. BUT, I believe it is a more affordable expenditure than anything involving your legs, or your brain. If I have to burn some extra calories to pay for reduced lactate buildup, and the resulting lowering of blood pH, I'll pay the energy price. I know it's a debated topic, but I've decided to go with Dr. Ben on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    Glad to see you back! Bummer about the collarbone issue, though.
    +1
    "If you're riding less than 18 MPH up a 2% grade please tell people Coggan is coaching you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    Glad to see you back! Bummer about the collarbone issue, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    +1
    Thanks, just wish I was allowed on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    Glad to see you back! Bummer about the collarbone issue, though.
    +2!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Anyone else upping the pH of their water, or in general trying to shift their balance towards the alkaline side? I am - more for general health than any expectation it will improve my cycling, but it could.

    On the "breathing hard uses energy front", I'm sure that's true. BUT, I believe it is a more affordable expenditure than anything involving your legs, or your brain. If I have to burn some extra calories to pay for reduced lactate buildup, and the resulting lowering of blood pH, I'll pay the energy price. I know it's a debated topic, but I've decided to go with Dr. Ben on this one.
    I agree. I worked on it this morning during a pace ride, and it seems to require more concentration and more exertion, but the exertion is negligible compared to what else I'm doing.

    I was trying to see if the "exhaust breathing" was really working. It seems to be. I allowed some lactate buildup and then started the rapid BPM's with forceful exhale and within five breaths on average I could feel a drop in the lactate level. I'm pretty sure this will work for me, and maybe even be a benefit. Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    +2!!
    Thanks Sara.

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    Did my FTP test with Trainer Road. Ug. I like how it will automatically give you your FTP and LTHR.

    What I didn't care for was the pop-up that asked me which type of beach cruiser bike I wanted to buy

    OK, I get it. I'm at 1.FAT W/Kg.

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    It's looking like my training is shifting. I started intervals yesterday. I did okay, until the third one, and I couldn't finish it. It's just the beginning.
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    What I've done the last 28 days. Lots of base.

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    Here's further breakdown. I'm not giving away any secrets, everyone knows I'm nothing special. Just hard headed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Here's further breakdown. I'm not giving away any secrets, everyone knows I'm nothing special. Just hard headed.
    But...I thought you piloted a short helicopter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    But...I thought you piloted a short helicopter...
    That's a "petite" helicopter.....

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    Looks pretty big to me, but it's no Mi-26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Looks pretty big to me, but it's no Mi-26.
    That's for sure. An Mi-26 could run right over my EC135 and never even feel a bump. "I think we hit a bug..."

    Last edited by sarals; 04-01-14 at 01:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    That's for sure. An Mi-26 could run right over my EC135 and never even feel a bump. "I think we hit a bug..."

    Wow!

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    Went to the Doc and he told me NO bike, not even a trainer unless I can do it one handed; which I could do but don't feel like it so it's just on my feet work. Mid May can't get here soon enough.

    8.2 miles of ru**i*g. I forgot how much that activity sucks.

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    You should hear it.

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    Skipped the mid-week race as it was windy and I couldn't bring myself to race in those conditions after this past weekend's stage race travails. Interval at the velodrome instead. Z1 90 sec, Z2 30 sec, Z3 90 sec, Z4 30 sec X 6 per set X 2 sets. Warm up plus the intervals added up to 27 miles. Skipped the motor game.
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    Still sick.

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    Going out for a JRA. The weather wouldn't allow it yesterday. It's pretty cold out, 46 degrees, wet roads. No wind, though.
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    Went out and did this today. I'm still not ready to pronounce it a breakthrough, but the breathing change seems to be making a difference. Today, I did not load up. I got tired, but that was different than my legs just shutting down, which is what they usually do on a climb. I'm starting to get encouraged!
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