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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    I've had a dream season so far...
    First, thanks for sharing...it's really informative.

    To me your 1' stands out as a huge relative strength...my guess is that only a fraction of your competitors can match this. (I also think that, from what I've seen, 1' power is more leveraging in crits than other durations - but that's a different discussion.)

    Also given our relative power numbers and successes it would seem you have quite a bit better racecraft than I do. I would like to follow you around sometime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapwithtom View Post
    First, thanks for sharing...it's really informative.

    To me your 1' stands out as a huge relative strength...my guess is that only a fraction of your competitors can match this. (I also think that, from what I've seen, 1' power is more leveraging in crits than other durations - but that's a different discussion.)

    Also given our relative power numbers and successes it would seem you have quite a bit better racecraft than I do. I would like to follow you around sometime...
    I'm pretty sure that GC won Tulsa Tough in a field that was not open, i.e. it was a Masters 4/5, 3/4 or something like that. At 46 years old, he is, or will eventually be racing in the same fields as me and Gary and all of the other M40+/M45+ guys in the Northeast. I can say for certain that none of those numbers are exceptional, and that there are plenty of guys out here that have more in the tank than that. GC won that race on the racecraft and knowing what he was capable of, pure and simple. It was a brilliantly executed race. Absolutely ****ing brilliant. I was elated when I read his race report. In my mind the only thing that tops winning an NCC crit is winning a national or world championship. Winning an NCC crit, especially one as difficult and selective as Tulsa Tough is a huge ****ing deal. Huge. This is a signature win. It may end up being the greatest win ever in his career. Hopefully he will build from this, and use it as a foundation when times get tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    I'm pretty sure that GC won Tulsa Tough in a field that was not open, i.e. it was a Masters 4/5, 3/4 or something like that.

    It was a 40+ 3/4 field. The competition was exceptionally physically strong, I hadn't realized just how strong until I started looking at their power numbers (power meters, not stravapower), but they didn't trust their bikes/skills on that particular course and conditions.


    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    he is, or will eventually be racing in the same fields as me and Gary and all of the other M40+/M45+ guys in the Northeast. I can say for certain that none of those numbers are exceptional... It may end up being the greatest win ever in his career. Hopefully he will build from this, and use it as a foundation when times get tough.
    I hear you, you are saying "prepare for a harsh reality check." My goal at this point is to settle into a similar path to @carpediemracing: some opportunistic successes in the context of understanding that much of the time I'm simply outclassed. No offense intended to CDR by using the word "outclassed", but he seems quite open about knowing when the competition is simply stronger than he is, and as the vets here keep saying, the most important step in making the most out of your abilities is being honest with yourself about what you are capable of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    I hear you, you are saying "prepare for a harsh reality check."
    No, I wasn't saying that at all. I was disagreeing with rwt's statement that any of your numbers were exceptional and that only a fraction of the others in the field could match them. I think you agree with that.

    Good luck Sunday in Harlem. Stay safe. Are you doing any of the crit week events? Berger? Exeter? Longsjo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Are you doing any of the crit week events? Berger? Exeter? Longsjo?
    Berger is possible but that would be 4 weekends in a row of racing and I'm pushing the marital happiness envelope already. Exeter's too far away, and Longsjo is the same weekend as Hunter, which is the NY state RR and is so local that I feel like I have to do it if only to socialize, plus I've already registered.

    Still, I could bail on Hunter and do one day of Longsjo. If so I'll make it a point to tug on your jersey when you pass by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    I hear you, you are saying "prepare for a harsh reality check." My goal at this point is to settle into a similar path to @carpediemracing: some opportunistic successes in the context of understanding that much of the time I'm simply outclassed. No offense intended to CDR by using the word "outclassed", but he seems quite open about knowing when the competition is simply stronger than he is, and as the vets here keep saying, the most important step in making the most out of your abilities is being honest with yourself about what you are capable of.
    I never thought of the way I approach racing but yes, that's the way I do it. And no offense on the word "outclassed", I know full well just how much stronger some of my Cat 4-5 teammates are. I've even had Cat 4 teammates try to lead me out and drop me, which is both funny and a bit pitiful at the same time. Even my sprint - I got inspired to get a powermeter after a Cat 5 non-sprinter told me his peak power was about 1500w. When I say "non-sprinter" I mean that I never considered him a threat in a sprint. So I got one and I was shocked (in a bad way) when my first big jump was something like 1200-1300w. It took me a bunch of jumps to break 1500w and at that point I was jumping like I was trying to break the bike.

    At some point I ended up head to head with a NY sprinter, multi Nat Champ (crit, track) and former Olympian. I jumped as hard as I could and he just rode away from me with absolutely no effort. Two pedal strokes and he was an unreachable 15-20 feet away. He turned around, smiled, and essentially soft pedaled to the line, maintaining his gap. I don't know how fast we were going but it was a massive field sprint, I was on form, and I got pipped at the line for 2nd (so I got 3rd). I realized then that even my sprint wasn't that good.

    My 22-23 mph TT speed, my life-long lack of climbing ability... I just try to do what I can with what I have on a given day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    Berger is possible but that would be 4 weekends in a row of racing and I'm pushing the marital happiness envelope already.
    Berger favors 1' power over a jump. If I get to the sprint I'm usually already blown. However the guys that do well are usually guys that can jump hard at the end of a 1' effort.

    I'll be at Berger, it's really a no brainer as I'm 30 min away and the club is helping out at the race. I have to leave immediately after my race (not sure which one, I think the 3s) since we're visiting the visiting in-laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    No, I wasn't saying that at all. I was disagreeing with rwt's statement that any of your numbers were exceptional and that only a fraction of the others in the field could match them. I think you agree with that. ?
    Got it. It's good 1' power for masters 3/4's...but not for all categories. In fact WR has stated that he has had 800w 1' power.

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    Having met them both, WR is way bigger than GC. You can't compare numbers alone. And I hope you're not using the Ewang chart to come to your conclusions, because that's one of many flaws in that data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
    My 22-23 mph TT speed, my life-long lack of climbing ability... I just try to do what I can with what I have on a given day.
    I'm coming to understand that that's the boat I sail in, too.
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    So today is the last BTC Time Trial and my wife wants to race it. After she is finished, she wants to pre-ride the Mount Diablo course for next weeks NorCal HC Championships. I said, sure, I will climb it with you. Average temperature on the climb was 98 with a max of 102 degrees F. Trackies need to do that once in a while to appreciate pursuits.
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    I'm melting!

    Recovery yesterday, and I went too hard. Period. I'm such a dummy.

    Travel to Casa Ex tomorrow, then openers with Coach, hopefully AzT and my team mate. I will remind them that my openers top number is much lower than theirs! Mt Baldy would be little bit too much
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    I'm melting!
    Someone hit you with a bucket of of water, did they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    Someone hit you with a bucket of of water, did they?
    You've seen my video?
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    This has been a strange week, training-wise...sort of a non-recovery recovery week. The rides were 1:00 - 1:30 at endurance pace during the week, with 3x12' low Z4 intervals on Thursday. Of course, on Thursday my Garmin 500 left for summer vacation. It couldn't detect distance, speed or power, even though it found the satellites and the power meter. I did the intervals by HR and time. I spent my ride time on Friday on the phone with Garmin, thought I had it fixed. Saturday morning, nope, and the Garmin somehow went from 100% to 2% charge so it died a minute and a half into the ride. I did the dreaded "hard reset," and it finally worked again this morning. Got in a three hour endurance pace ride this morning, went through four bottles and a 23 oz. can of sweet tea; the Garmin says it got to 104 degrees...probably at least ten degrees too high since it was in direct sun for much of the ride. The humidity went down to 58% by the end of the ride, so I got my first salt stains of the year.

    Short, hard intervals next week.
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    What a difference a day makes... 2.5 hour group ride with temps in the mid 60s but a lot of wind. TSS 181 but due to the make up of the group and style of riding, there were a lot of surges.
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    Gym workout - Upper body and core work today.
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    For a change, I did a HIT session with a gang of teammates that is organized by a coach. Fun to do in a group.
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    Did a set of 6x90" Z6 intervals today, five minutes RBI. It's the first time I've done them in quite a while, and I was curious how I'd do...and a little concerned that I might tank on them. Happily, I had no problems, even shortened the RBI on one to see whether it would affect me and it didn't, and the last interval was just this side of Z7. Total ride was 2:07, TSS 142, IF .82, 1203 kj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    You've seen my video?
    I've been searching your channel and I see a bunch of ones for the Honda and a CS5 takeoff but none with a bucket of water...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBOHUNT View Post
    I've been searching your channel and I see a bunch of ones for the Honda and a CS5 takeoff but none with a bucket of water...
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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    That's not *OUR* Sara though

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    Fun day at the track today. I did 7 efforts including two team pursuit efforts with a junior team. The juniors were crazy fast and it was a blast riding with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBOHUNT View Post
    That's not *OUR* Sara though
    Oh, yes it is! I was much younger then.
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    Surprised myself yesterday. My workout called for 1-1/2 hours at endurance pace with 50-75% of it towards the mid/upper end of Z3. I decided to make the interval an hour, since I like round numbers and it would give me 15 minutes on each end for warmup/down. I started out a bit harder than planned, figured I'd back off a bit when I started getting tired. I didn't really get tired. I ended up with an hour in lower Z4 - IF was .93 for that period. Feels good to be getting my fitness back!
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