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IBOHUNT 09-17-14 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sarals (Post 17138336)
Let me add another turn to that twist...

;)

Keep twisting and it will get rungt off! But I do appreciate the push

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Originally Posted by sarals (Post 17138336)
Well, my CX training ride this morning turned into a "that was stupid..." ride. I was working on dismount/mounts (which is really funny to watch me try to do) when I rode through a patch of mowed down goatheads. Yes. Both tires. That ended that ride....

:rolleyes:

I can see me trying to do those dismounts. There is some trips to the ER is my first thought.

No patch kit?

IBOHUNT 09-17-14 05:39 PM

Not a Fred mode ride tonight. Won't be able to be on the bike till Monday so it was a 1hr 40 of trying to blow the legs up night

IF 0.93
TSS 146

valygrl 09-17-14 08:55 PM

Ugh, goatheads.

Do you have access to any cross clinics? I'm not racing cross, but I did a clinic last year, and it was really cool. I was the most inept participant by far, but by the end of the 2 hours I could sort of do the mount/dismount. There are techniques.

nacler22 09-18-14 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarals (Post 17138336)
Let me add another turn to that twist...

;)

Well, my CX training ride this morning turned into a "that was stupid..." ride. I was working on dismount/mounts (which is really funny to watch me try to do) when I rode through a patch of mowed down goatheads. Yes. Both tires. That ended that ride....

:rolleyes:

Stan's is your friend, assuming you have a tubeless wheelset. If not, then make that your first purchase priority, assuming again, that you're gonna stick with cross.

revchuck 09-18-14 04:31 AM

Did a 1:35 endurance ride yesterday morning. I had slept poorly the night before so I didn't feel very energetic, but my legs woke up about a half hour into the ride (the rest of me was still trying to go back to sleep) and I ended up with >30 minutes at SST in the middle of the ride. TSS 100, IF .80, 1049 kj.

sarals 09-18-14 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by valygrl (Post 17140203)
Ugh, goatheads.

Do you have access to any cross clinics? I'm not racing cross, but I did a clinic last year, and it was really cool. I was the most inept participant by far, but by the end of the 2 hours I could sort of do the mount/dismount. There are techniques.

I'm sure I can find some. VG, I am the most uncoordinated, clumsy person you'll find about anywhere. I can't dance, I have no rhythm, and a rhino exhibits more grace than I do. It will take me a long time with many reps before I can get halfway proficient at dismount/remount, and even longer to get fast at it. Well, I have the whole season.

Allegheny Jet 09-18-14 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sarals (Post 17141056)
I'm sure I can find some. VG, I am the most uncoordinated, clumsy person you'll find about anywhere. I can't dance, I have no rhythm, and a rhino exhibits more grace than I do. It will take me a long time with many reps before I can get halfway proficient at dismount/remount, and even longer to get fast at it. Well, I have the whole season.

Sara, watch a few YouTube videos on doing the mounts. Go to a park and just do them at a walking pace for a while. Little by little add some pace to the process until you have to jog and jump onto the saddle to keep the momentum needed to get back on the saddle smoothly. At first don't worry about clipping back into the pedals, just put your foot on a pedal and do the motion, a lot of times it will clip in by itself. At first I was too rushed on my mounts with attempting to have my foot clip-in on the first stroke. Maintaining momentum is more important at first than nailing it back up to speed after a dismount/mount. You will also do better by looking ahead rather than at your bars and top tube when remounting. You chest needs to be open when getting back on the bike. Looking down closes the chest which prevents you from pulling your knee up, around and ahead of the foot that is on the ground. Watch a video of a hurdler and how their trail leg leads over the hurdle while the chest is open and the drive foot is on the ground or just pushed away. That is the same motion on remounting in cross. On good remounts you will feel that you jumped onto the bike and did not drag/pull your body to the bike.

valygrl 09-18-14 01:24 PM

Same here, i'm a total klutz.

to give you some perspective, I normally unclip with my right foot, and I can't make a u-turn on my TT bike because I'm afraid I'll need to unclip left and not be able to. My off-season training goal is to learn to unclip with my left foot. I thnk that's the first step toward successful u-turns. So far, I'm a week into it, and I haven't fallen over yet, but I'm not ruling that out yet. :)

Having someone help you by breaking down the mount/dismount into separate motions you can practice could help. it helped me. at first I couldnt even get my leg over the saddle.

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Originally Posted by sarals (Post 17141056)
I'm sure I can find some. VG, I am the most uncoordinated, clumsy person you'll find about anywhere. I can't dance, I have no rhythm, and a rhino exhibits more grace than I do. It will take me a long time with many reps before I can get halfway proficient at dismount/remount, and even longer to get fast at it. Well, I have the whole season.


Allegheny Jet 09-18-14 09:29 PM

Did my own version of the 1 hr TT tonight at the velodrome. It was the first time on a track bike since Master's Nats. Got dressed in full aero with skin suit, TT helmet and wheels. The weather was slightly breezy with low 60's temps. Started out great then at around the 18' mark my Garmin head's battery died. (should have charged it from the last use in August) In true Jens Voigt fashion I kept myself going by saying "shut up legs", "shut up body", "HTFU" and "don't take the easy way". Ended up being the longest hour of my life!

Once done I coasted a few laps then went into the infield to get off the bike. As I was stopping and unclipping I realized that my butt muscles were cramped and getting off the bike was going to be an adventure. I managed to pull up next to a chair and was able to get off the bike. The next 10 minutes was worse than the TT effort but I managed to deal with it. Putting on warm clothes, taking my equipment and bike back to the car and the 35 minute drive home was excruciating. Feeling a bit better now that I was able to move around and even took out the garbage can to the curb. I was lucky enough to have a 6 pack of Great Lakes Brewing Dortmunder Gold in the fridge. After a couple, the medicine seems to be working well.:lol:

revchuck 09-19-14 03:52 AM

Sounds like you earned those beers, AJ!

shovelhd 09-19-14 08:07 AM

That's good beer. I had one after each podium ceremony at the Senior Games.

Allegheny Jet 09-19-14 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shovelhd (Post 17144382)
That's good beer. I had one after each podium ceremony at the Senior Games.

That's appropriate since the beer label shows a "gold medal award" on it.:thumb:

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Hermes 09-19-14 01:38 PM

Nice hour TT A'Jet:eek:

Hi from Mallorca staying at Marriott's Vacation Club at Son Anten Golf Club. Pics by me. 5 days of cycling with lots of climbing with 2 more planned and then the weather turns rainy. The resort has a full spa facility so I spend 10 minutes in their 16 deg C pool. More later.

Today, we rode to the Formentor Lighthouse. It is a challenging ride with some of the worst pavement imaginable. Copperopolis seems smooth compared to the stuff we rode today.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps841f1c29.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...n/PICT0127.jpg

Racer Ex 09-19-14 05:36 PM

Looks horrible. You should take me with you next time so I can provide interesting monologues while you're suffering through that mess.

Down in the Bay Area for an opera and a wedding. Came down early for Mrs. Ex's work. Figured I get a nice long ride in. Got up this morning and realized that, while I had packed water bottles (which I forgot last time), I did not pack a kit and my spare did not make it into my race bag. After a bit of driving and shopping produced a choice between $200+ of bling or absolute useless crap, I took Ridley for an hour and a half hike.

On the bright side the SoCal house finally closed and Ridley is happy and snoozing.

revchuck 09-19-14 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer Ex (Post 17146118)
Figured I get a nice long ride in. Got up this morning and realized that, while I had packed water bottles (which I forgot last time), I did not pack a kit and my spare did not make it into my race bag.

I feel somewhat better knowing that not just us noobs do that kind of stuff.

Having a bit of a hard time staying within the 6-7 hours/week my coach told me to ride during transition. I skipped riding today, but will still probably end up with 8+ hours this week. It's getting to be that time of year here where it's too nice not to ride.

sarals 09-19-14 09:21 PM

Hey, folks, sorry I didn't reply to your great suggestions on dismount/remount (VG, we need to start a "Girls Who are Klutzes Klub", and invite my sister, too). I have been BURIED at work - not complaining, mind you - I've worked 20 of the past 23 days and yesterday was an epic day (bad for those we flew, very busy for us). Four back to back to back calls, and I got home at 10PM. I'm off today and tomorrow (so I can race). I spent the better part of the day today sorting out the CX bike (it now has 42MM Continental CrossRide tires on it), getting the CAAD ready for sale, and fixing or maintaining other bicycles. I am finally sitting down at the computer!

I did an openers ride this morning (the Look feels so GOOD now that the fit is close to right), then I did some dismount/remount drills. Valygrl....OMG, I define "Klutz". And this is after watching a bunch of YouTube vids over and over and thinking "my, that looks easy". It probably is if you're a normal person. Sheesh. I tried a "shoulder drill", tried to shoulder the bike? All I did was rip a hole (well, two holes) in the skin of my right arm. I won't try that again.

Tomorrow, CCCX Cross race #3 (I missed #2 ). This one is "flat and has lots of ice plant". Oh good. That stuff is soft when you fall in it!

shovelhd 09-20-14 04:48 AM

Good luck and have fun. I have a club Fred ride and party today, I'm also working the kids races. I can't wait to get into Dads face when I DSQ little Johnny for showing up at a kids race with a Felt F24 and Di2. Tomorrow I work the last criterium of the season in New England. Sad. Just a tough year for me with a few nice highlights.

sarals 09-20-14 09:17 AM

Shovel, you are the best. And next year will be great.

valygrl 09-20-14 07:40 PM

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Leaf ride. Edit.... Copper Triangle route with a teammate and a friend. 80 miles, 5700' climbing, 3 mountain passes, peak aspens.

hmm, picture working now?
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...6&d=1411272908

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sarals 09-20-14 10:02 PM

VG, wow...would I love to see that. It has to be spectacular. Great workout, by the way!

Hermes 09-21-14 02:27 PM

Today was day 7 cycling in Mallorca and we re-rode the Col de Soller and descended the 34 switchbacks into Soller. From there, we climbed over the coastal ridge to the town of Deia, Unlike Tuesday, that featured temperatures at 100 degrees, today was overcast with temps in the 80s with high humidity. Considering the popularity of this route, we did not see a lot of cyclists.

I managed to knock 1' 43" off of my previous best climb time up Soller which was good enough for a 2983/7108 KOM position on Strava. My climbing speed was 10 mph with the KOM speed of 18.2 mph. The top Strava positions, or a least the few I checked, were all UCI pros. I believe the 18.2 mph but the road is very narrow and there are a lot of switchbacks on the climb making 18.2 mph around the corners hard to believe unless it was a closed course. Of course, one could accelerate and then brake but man that will use a lot of energy. 10 mph seemed fast going around the 180s and I had to watch for cars and descending cyclists which is not as easy to do as one might think since you come around the turn fast. I used the centerline rule and hit the apex of the turns but I could not really see what was coming until I changed direction.

Rain is forecast for tomorrow so a break from cycling.

The pic below is typical for the entire Col de Soller climb and descent. Photo by Hermes.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...pscc9156c5.jpg

valygrl 09-21-14 02:40 PM

^^ like.

sarals 09-21-14 04:07 PM

^^^
+1 x 2 !!

revchuck 09-21-14 04:29 PM

Yeah, wut dose gurlz said! :)

revchuck 09-21-14 05:01 PM

Small group ride today, it was supposed to be pretty laid back with a 21 mph paceline. That lasted about the first third of the ride. It crept up to 23 by the time we hit the turnaround point, and then hit 25, 26, 27...did a couple of minutes over 30 mph, no tailwind. I kept up, but it wasn't easy. :eek: It was the first time I ever thought, "Finally, only 25 mph, now I can recover a little". I was riding the Look with the wheels I got from @shovelhd, so he might have sent some extra speed with the wheels. 1:55, hrTSS 135, IF .79 (.68 on the way out, .91 on the way back). I spent almost an hour at or above threshold HR, but I'm starting to think my threshold HR is set too low.


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