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    That seems to describe what I'm experiencing quite well. What time frame before I might notice a change?
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    It was 6 months or a year after I started riding before I got over the HR shoots to the moon on every little hill thing.

    But it wasn't like one day a switch was thrown. It's gradual.

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    In the same way that progress in climbing is gradual...

    35 miles today, very cold. Glad I waited till 11 to start.
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    21 degrees out the door.

    17 degrees in the door.

    14 psi front & 19 psi back.

    27mi.@ 2:04 on a 95% snow/ice covered MUP. (only safe place to ride)

    No relief on the forecast horizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nacler22 View Post
    21 degrees out the door.

    17 degrees in the door.

    14 psi front & 19 psi back.

    27mi.@ 2:04 on a 95% snow/ice covered MUP. (only safe place to ride)

    No relief on the forecast horizon.
    That just sounds painful.
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    2 hours of some climbing and the rest tempo with most of it on the TT course.

    We got rolling about 11AM and it was 47 degrees at the start with bright sunshine with an average of 52 degrees with a high of 60. My wife was on her TT bike focused on the TT course. I decided to go climbing on Kings Mountain. I was into a solid effort on Kings and my rear flatted after the park entrance. I inspected the tire and it was perfect and there was nothing sharp inside. I was concerned that the flat was caused by a spoke. I got rolling again but decided to head back down and ride on the TT course by the car. I used my new clear plastic folding rain jacket on the decent and it worked perfectly. I looked over the tire and tube this PM and found the hole on the inside of the tube. I replaced the rim tape.

    I hooked up with my wife on the TT course and we did tempo. It was a perfect day for cycling after I got warmed up.
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    Started out on a group ride with the fast young guys yesterday morning, my first day back on the bike in two weeks. About 25 miles out, I got detached from the paceline in a 10-15 mph headwind, couldn't catch back on, and that was all she wrote. I did another 45 miles at endurance pace. When I got back, I downloaded the ride and checked for my highest 60 minutes - it was just over my FTP, and included part of the warmup.

    Cold front coming through in the next hour - 70s yesterday, 40s and raining today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    When I got back, I downloaded the ride and checked for my highest 60 minutes - it was just over my FTP, and included part of the warmup.
    Not that I'm any sort of an expert, but shouldn't it be impossible to spend an hour at an intensity greater than FTP?

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    Not if it is set too low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Not if it is set too low.
    ...due to the cyclist becoming more fit since the last test. Guess I'm due for another one. When I wrote "just over my FTP", I meant by three (count 'em!) watts. While my FTP may well need to be bumped up, that three watt difference is probably well with the margin of error.

    1:41 at endurance pace this morning. My hips were sore, and stayed that way until about halfway through the ride. Temperature went from 58 to 46 while I was out, and the wind changed from SW to NW. I got about 15 minutes of rain, and the roads were wet almost the entire ride. I really liked those fenders today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    ...due to the cyclist becoming more fit since the last test. Guess I'm due for another one. When I wrote "just over my FTP", I meant by three (count 'em!) watts. While my FTP may well need to be bumped up, that three watt difference is probably well with the margin of error.
    But if you hit that on the kind of ride you described, you should be able to clobber it in a proper test.
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    AZT, Have you been to your local wind tunnel for testing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    But if you hit that on the kind of ride you described, you should be able to clobber it in a proper test.
    Could well be. My coach usually goes over the weekend results on Monday morning, so I'll see what she says. She might just add another ten watts to my FTP, which bumps up everything else.
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    Now I know why God made shoe covers.

    33 on the roll out for the SMR group ride yesterday. Five miles in my feet were numb, in fact I couldn't feel them at all. I bailed after the first climb, retreating to warmer conditions, then went out again later. My stupid body doesn't like cold (or heat) and my legs never stopped cramping until well into the second (short) ride. It was sort of a wasted day! However, I did get to ride the refitted Look - it has standard chainrings on it now, plus matched wheels and that WONDERFUL saddle. It's just fantastic. I can't believe it's the same bike. The gearing with the standard chainrings, like it does on the Bianchi, matches my riding style, and it's easier for me to make efforts. It just glides along! I'm pleased!
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    As for climbing, this is circulating on my racing team's one list right now. Interesting!

    Body mass. The lower your body mass the more advantageous it is to stand on a climb. The greater your mass the better off you’ll be staying seated. One quick and simple way to come up with your body mass is to divide your weight in pounds (1kg = 2.2lbs) by your height in inches (1cm = 0.4in). So if you weigh 154 pounds (70kg) and you are 72 inches (180cm) tall your “mass” is 2.13 (154 / 72 = 2.13). I’ve found that for males the best climbers are at less than 2.0. These folks should stand a lot (think of Marco Pantani). Men in the range of 2.0 to 2.3 tend to alternate between standing and sitting a lot (for example, Lance Armstrong). Those men at 2.3 to 2.5 are best advised to sit a lot (like Miguel Indurain). Folks over 2.5 usually avoid hills. Women should use a scale which is about 0.2 lbs/in less (for example, under 1.8 are climbers).
    So losing (or gaining) weight may change how you climb – and how well you climb. For example, a 1kg (2.2 lbs) loss of weight (bike and/or body) allows you to climb a 1000m hill with a 10% grade about 3.5 sec faster than when heavier at the same power output. Another way of looking at this is that 1kg is about 3w on a climb (so 1lb is roughly 1.5w).

    I'd like to point out a very sad statistic for me, my mass: 2.64 ("Folks over 2.5 usually avoid hills.")
    http://www.joefrielsblog.com/2010/08/hills-sit-or-stand.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    As for climbing, this is circulating on my racing team's one list right now. Interesting!

    Body mass. The lower your body mass the more advantageous it is to stand on a climb. The greater your mass the better off you’ll be staying seated. One quick and simple way to come up with your body mass is to divide your weight in pounds (1kg = 2.2lbs) by your height in inches (1cm = 0.4in). So if you weigh 154 pounds (70kg) and you are 72 inches (180cm) tall your “mass” is 2.13 (154 / 72 = 2.13). I’ve found that for males the best climbers are at less than 2.0. These folks should stand a lot (think of Marco Pantani). Men in the range of 2.0 to 2.3 tend to alternate between standing and sitting a lot (for example, Lance Armstrong). Those men at 2.3 to 2.5 are best advised to sit a lot (like Miguel Indurain). Folks over 2.5 usually avoid hills. Women should use a scale which is about 0.2 lbs/in less (for example, under 1.8 are climbers).
    So losing (or gaining) weight may change how you climb – and how well you climb. For example, a 1kg (2.2 lbs) loss of weight (bike and/or body) allows you to climb a 1000m hill with a 10% grade about 3.5 sec faster than when heavier at the same power output. Another way of looking at this is that 1kg is about 3w on a climb (so 1lb is roughly 1.5w).

    I'd like to point out a very sad statistic for me, my mass: 2.64 ("Folks over 2.5 usually avoid hills.")
    http://www.joefrielsblog.com/2010/08/hills-sit-or-stand.htm
    Ug... But my target weight has me right at 2.5, and 2.64 isn't that much over 2.5
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    Interesting concept... not sure I buy it just yet, but interesting.
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    Sara - They're also advantageous when the road's wet, even when it's not raining (as when it's really foggy out - having been stationed both at Ft. Ord and DLI, I know it's often like that out there). Keeping your feet dry when it's cool, but not cold, goes a long way toward keeping you comfortable.

    Glad to hear the Look is now better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
    Sara - They're also advantageous when the road's wet, even when it's not raining (as when it's really foggy out - having been stationed both at Ft. Ord and DLI, I know it's often like that out there). Keeping your feet dry when it's cool, but not cold, goes a long way toward keeping you comfortable.

    Glad to hear the Look is now better!
    Thank you, Chuck! Oh yes, you know our seasons here!

    I'll have shoes covers Wednesday evening. The MBRT kits will be in and we're getting together to get them, have team photos made, and lie to each other about how fit and fast we are
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Interesting concept... not sure I buy it just yet, but interesting.
    I don't know that I do, either. I am a 2.09, though, and I'm not fond of nor a good climber. Seated.
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    Bought and used shoe covers today... oh my, that's the best $50 bucks I've spent in quite a while. The toes were quite happy at the end of the ride. 27 miles, endurance pace... Felt good to be out there.
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    Another beautiful winter day in NorCal. When we got up, it was 33 degrees and heavy frost. It was a good thing I had my bugenvilias covered. 2 hour endurance ride with similar wind and temperatures as yesterday. We started around 11 AM to let it warm up a little. I bet it was really cold for the group rides that start at 8AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    Another beautiful winter day in NorCal. When we got up, it was 33 degrees and heavy frost. It was a good thing I had my bugenvilias covered. 2 hour endurance ride with similar wind and temperatures as yesterday. We started around 11 AM to let it warm up a little. I bet it was really cold for the group rides that start at 8AM.
    If you leave them uncovered, they will look dead for a while then come back just as strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    If you leave them uncovered, they will look dead for a while then come back just as strong.
    These are new plants this year and my contractor wanted them covered until they get established.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esteban58 View Post
    That just sounds painful.
    Fingers, yes.

    Toes, not so much. Lost feeling about an hour in.

    Gonna try foot warmers like the duck hunters use. Figure I'll stick'em on top of my toes between the shoe and cover.

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