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    Ex sent me a new TRS with a revised FTP based on PT data from the CP crit. It's now 155, up from 133. "Add Some More"! I'm ready.
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    See?

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    WOw Sara, HUGE improvement, great job!
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    Training for Racing All Disciplines

    @AzT...Yeup. I remember quite well what you told me, too. Now, this is a woman telling a man "you were right". You were!
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    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
    WOw Sara, HUGE improvement, great job!
    Val, I feel stronger, but I didn't know it was that much. There is hope for us Seniors after all!
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    I'd love 22 watts of improvement. In February.
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    I'd love 22 watts of improvement ever.
    Good job Sara. Nice to see the effort paying off.
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    Training for Racing All Disciplines

    I started really low! There was nothing but "up".
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    Way to go, Sara!
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    My back has been a little messed up this week. I don't usually have back issues, especially lower back. Feels more disk than muscle, but I never can tell. Bad timing, as this is a pretty big weekend... road race, crit, and time trials at the track. I've already nixed the road race, but still hope to do the Sunday double-header of crit and track TTs. At least Ex and his crew are out of town for the crit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    My back has been a little messed up this week. I don't usually have back issues, especially lower back. Feels more disk than muscle, but I never can tell. Bad timing, as this is a pretty big weekend... road race, crit, and time trials at the track. I've already nixed the road race, but still hope to do the Sunday double-header of crit and track TTs. At least Ex and his crew are out of town for the crit!
    Vance, here's hoping it's a passing thing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    My back has been a little messed up this week. I don't usually have back issues, especially lower back. Feels more disk than muscle, but I never can tell. Bad timing, as this is a pretty big weekend... road race, crit, and time trials at the track. I've already nixed the road race, but still hope to do the Sunday double-header of crit and track TTs. At least Ex and his crew are out of town for the crit!
    Having spent a month in total agony a while ago myself, I can only say I hope this settles out for you soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    At least Ex and his crew are out of town for the crit!
    If you ask nice I'll hang around

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    Uh oh, that doesn't mean you had to bail on VOS does it?

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    Hard trainer workout tonight - 5x6 minute climbing repeats, with 3 minutes RBI, then eight minutes tempo. The first and last minute of the climbing repeats were standing, the rest was seated. It didn't go as well as I had hoped - hit the targeted watts on the first three, missed by two watts on the fourth, and then missed the last one by about 20 watts. I took a five minute RBI after the climbing repeats and tried to hit tempo, and couldn't quite get there for about six minutes...then I had no problem hitting it and went almost to the climbing repeat range for the last two minutes, and could've gone longer at that level, though how much longer is open to question. Weird.
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    Since I sprained my ankle and put a tiny (2mm) closed fracture in the base of my fibula on 1/14/13 I've done minimal training on the bike; it was 10 days before I could put on an old pair of Sidis.

    I've been feeling good lately, the bike/trainer rides have felt good as well, with no latent swelling, etc. So today I went out for a run. I was taking it easy, not pushing at all. I have hope that I'll be able to run the entire 1/2 marathon in San Diego 3/10.

    My regular Thursday sales meeting was cancelled for tomorrow; think I'll go ride some hills and see how much bike fitness I've lost (or kept). Right now I'm pretty darned happy.
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    Good luck Red, that's a short prep window I hope it goes well for you.
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    Vance: Nah, I was just pulling your chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Vance: Nah, I was just pulling your chain.
    Hmm, maybe if I shave, put on a Hammer jersey, and wear a catlike helmet... I guess that would only work for a lap or two, when they realize the legs are just ordinary.

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    I have a question for you Trackies. I would put this to the Track Forum guys but most of the answers over there are from younger and bolder attidudes. I'm building up a track bike that will be used for the Flying 200, 500TT, IP and probably team pursuit and sprint events. I have a 2010 Fuji Elite frame coming soon. I don't intend to do any mass start races but might do some practice training with the locals, but then I would use my Fugi Comp as its expendable in the event of a crash.

    I’m trying to determine the best crank arm length for the racing disciplines I described. I’m 5’ 11” and ride a 56 cm road bike with 175mm crank arms. I rode for years with 172.5mm crank arms before my current DA crankset. My Fuji Comp has 165mm crank arms. Looking at various track bike sizing charts and components specs, it seems that most of the 56cm bikes come with 167.5mm to 172.5mm crank sets. I have read that for the events I described that longer crank arms are the way to go and for shorter mass start and sprint events the 165mm crank arms are better. When in the drops or aero bar I do have a little room between my thighs and rib cage that would allow a longer crankarm. IMO I would have a better standing start with the added leverage of a 170-172.5m crank arm.

    Am I off base thinking this way? The 170mm seems like a good compromise but does the 172.5 make more sense? I am not concerned with the longer arms hitting the track. (Reminds me of the time I asked a Home Depot employee about the difference in sizes of ceiling fans. He said that was pretty simple, “if you put a 52” fan in a 48” hallway it would probably hit the walls and that is about all you need to know”) I intend to race the flying 200 @ 135 rpm+, 500TT @ 120-125 rpm and the IP 105- 110 rpm.

    What do you guys race?
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    I think you should get 180mm cranks on a 54cm frame and see if it fits in the hallway.

    Sorry, can't help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    I think you should get 180mm cranks on a 54cm frame and see if it fits in the hallway.

    Sorry, can't help you.
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    My only contribution is that, according to the fit guys at Faster, it isn't just a question of your legs hitting your chest, but the power you can produce at varying degrees of leg flexion. That range can extended with exercises like squats, lunges and step-ups, but it's essentially a bell curve. Just yet another consideration, and that's all I have, as I haven't swallowed the trackie pill just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    What do you guys race?
    165.

    Leaving for VOS today so abbreviating the long explanation on why shorter is probably better for all those events but when you converge gearing/aero position/torque differences/max RPM you're probsbly better off going lower (gearing and position) and shorter on the cranks.

    FWIW there's a considerable trend going to shorter crank arms on TT bikes these days, this is also happening in the pointy end of the tri community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    165.

    Leaving for VOS today so abbreviating the long explanation on why shorter is probably better for all those events but when you converge gearing/aero position/torque differences/max RPM you're probsbly better off going lower (gearing and position) and shorter on the cranks.

    FWIW there's a considerable trend going to shorter crank arms on TT bikes these days, this is also happening in the pointy end of the tri community.
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