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    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
    Got slaughtered at the Lookout Mtn HC RR today. 7th/8. Asthma is acting up and maybe getting sick too. Lungs on fire. Bummed, just in time for a heavy training block.

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    bad news - definitely getting sick.
    Rest and maybe a doc visit to nail down the problem. Don't want something festering for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    You look pretty powerful to me. And if there's more weight to lose, that's a quicker route to an improved power/weight ratio than anything else you can do.

    I think your progress over the last couple of years is remarkable. If I dreamed I could come 4th of 16 on a technical 21-mile TT I'd wake up and apologise.
    Thanks.

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    page valley road race, 65-ish miles, two significant climbs each lap; one is about 1.5 miles, steady grade with steep at the top; 2nd is about 0.75 miles of double digit grades with the finish line at the top.

    combined field of 35+, 45+, 55+, and a 65+ rider. different numbers to keep an eye on who was in a particular field, but confusing nonetheless. end of season, and the 35+ season best all around rider (BAR) is not being contested this year, but the 45+ BAR is hot and heavy with 3 guys near each other, including one of my team mates.

    We had 3 guys, myself, the 45+ BAR guy, and a 35+ guy whom is clearly superior to everyone in the race except another rider or 2 (he could have done the elite race and placed well, but had time constraints). Our plan was basically to let the 45+ guys do their thing without too much interference as they'd be marking each other, make sure our guy was on the right side of any splits and not chase him or anything, but not too much interference since it would or could make for a very negative race.

    This race is always hard for me, I've never done the masters race here only the elite race and i've never finished on the same lap as the winners, so I was confident but a little nervous going into it. From the flag drop, my 35+ team mate went off the front. This was part of the plan to take pressure off of me and 45+ guy. First lap was good, teammate out doing his thing, lots of counter attacking but nothing too crazy, I flew up both of the climbs, which was confidence building. Second lap, all hell broke loose. A former pro who is in the 45+ field and still wins elite races went nuts on the long climb. I was on his wheel going into it, knowing he was a "free" ride, but that ride didnt end up being very free. Looking back at the power file, following him took an all time 2' wattage record for me. We went over the top of the climb with a big gap and my teammate in sight, but a tailwind on the descent brought the group back up to us. We then hit the finishing climb, the steep one, caught my teammate, attacks went, and I fell apart, had to drift climb it. Fortunately things came back together on the subsequent descent (I hit 55 mph, I can go fast downhill) and we were all together again.

    Next lap I was rocking on the flats, but struggled on the steep finishing climb, had to drift climb it again but stayed in contact. My 35+ team mate attacked mid way through the 4th lap, and the former pro who nearly killed me on the long climb went with him. The field was relieved I think as it took the two clearly superior racers and put them up the road. They were gone, only a mechanical would bring them back.

    All of a sudden I was recovered and felt pretty good, so I was looking for bridgers or another move to go with that didnt mess up my 45+ BAR teammate. Confusing, I know. A bit later, a group got away that didnt have the three 45+ BAR guys in it, I eyed it but let it get some distance, evaluated that it had good team representation with horsepower, so I bridged to it. It was a tactically great group, good mix of teams, I got there, caught my breath, said I'd work, lets go. We started hitting it but for some reason, one of the three 45+ BAR guys didnt like it even though there was no one in the move that represented a threat to his BAR standing, and he had a 35+ teammate in it, but he put his team on the front and collectively brought us back. WTF? OK, that's bike racing. but then, a counter went that had 2 of the 3 45+ BAR guys in it, including my teammate, but lacked anyone from the team that just brought my breakaway back. Silly racing. I didnt get it. They were back on the front rotating. I was sitting in smiling, no pressure at all.

    We were now on the last lap, so maybe about 10 miles to go, the win of the 35+ and 45+ are long gone, a group containing 2 of the 3 45+ BAR competitors up the road, and the 3rd 45+ BAR guy barking at his team to rotate smoothly. We get to the 1.5 mile climb, and the group with the 45+ BAR contenders is in sight. I was feeling good, but as we drilled it up the climb I started feeling cramps coming on, again, 3rd race in a row. We could see the group ahead blowing up, and when we caught the group at the very top of this climb, it's a steeper grade, I was pedaling in the chopping wood style because normal pedaling motion was immediate cramping. I got gapped off and had to drill the descent, some false flat, and flats to catch back on then we hit the finishing climb. I'd maneuvered my way nearly to the front and was hoping for a miracle, but at 200M, it's 15% and my legs were locked up. I couldn't stand, I couldn't pedal any other way than body weight mashing. Very frustrated as I had more fitness to give, but couldnt access it with this cramping issue.

    After a ride back to the race staging, I had a beer with @echappist, results went up, I had no idea where I was, but scoured through the #s and counted mine to be 5th, which is a money spot (although kind of a fraudulent one as I finished behind lots of other 45+ guys and some 55+ guys); so I sat around and then when the prizes were being announced, my name wasnt called, I mis-counted and finished 6th. Talk about salt in the wounds!

    A good day for my 35+ teammate as he won that field, and my 45+ teammate finished 2nd in that field so he took the lead in the season long BAR!

    I had a 2+ hour drive home to go through the 7 stages of post bike race disappointment:

    -you did your best
    -you should have dug deeper
    -you are a poor bike racer, you cant even beat masters racers older than you are
    -you should quit the sport
    -you are a horrible human being
    -it's just bike racing
    -you did your best and had fun doing it, it just didnt work out

    I've got to get this cramp thing figured out. I've experienced it before, in like 2010, but not since then. Very frustrating!

    Thanks for reading.

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    Great account, MDCatV. Personally, if I'd set a 2' power record early in the race, I wouldn't be too surprised that I cramped up before the finish. The other plausible explanation is that yes, you're a horrible human being.
    There have been many days when I haven't felt like riding, but there has never been a day when I was sorry I rode.

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    Great report MD... too bad about missing out on the money. I like the stages of post race disappointment.
    You left out my least favorite stage - Denial of Responsibility/Blame. Those teammates in the chase with you should have worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
    Great report MD... too bad about missing out on the money. I like the stages of post race disappointment.
    You left out my least favorite stage - Denial of Responsibility/Blame. Those teammates in the chase with you should have worked.

    good point, I cant even get the 7 stages of post bike race disappointment down correctly this year :-/

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    You do what you can do MD. Sometime the bike race cooperates.

    Brentwood went about as I expected. Usually considered the fastest race of the year in Socal, with the former everybody's in it. Current National 45+ crit champ won it in a break with another nats champs and a strong guy. I chased their break for about 1/4 lap then blew and was dfl for several laps. Started to move up a bit then had to close some gaps and completely kablooyed. Made it an entire 17 minutes, I rode well for about 7 of that.

    All work and no training makes Ex a slow boy.

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    MD, what a report. I love the strategy, and I really loved the way you read the race (IE, I wish I could do that). The Seven Stages of Post Race Disappointment should be a sticky! Great, great read. Greater racing.

    Ex, I wish on my strongest days I was as weak as you are now. Oh, I heard on the news that there was a huge thunderstorm over Baldy last night, with lots of flash flooding downstream. It made me think of all those boulders near your old home in Upland. Yikes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
    <snip>
    I had a 2+ hour drive home to go through the 7 stages of post bike race disappointment:

    -you did your best
    -you should have dug deeper

    -you are a poor bike racer, you cant even beat masters racers older than you are
    -you should quit the sport
    -you are a horrible human being
    -it's just bike racing
    -you did your best and had fun doing it, it just didnt work out

    I've got to get this cramp thing figured out. I've experienced it before, in like 2010, but not since then. Very frustrating!

    Thanks for reading.
    Great report and result.

    That is so sad.

    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Einstein

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    ^, that is some lovely playing though, I enjoyed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    You do what you can do MD. Sometime the bike race cooperates.

    Brentwood went about as I expected. Usually considered the fastest race of the year in Socal, with the former everybody's in it. Current National 45+ crit champ won it in a break with another nats champs and a strong guy. I chased their break for about 1/4 lap then blew and was dfl for several laps. Started to move up a bit then had to close some gaps and completely kablooyed. Made it an entire 17 minutes, I rode well for about 7 of that.

    All work and no training makes Ex a slow boy.
    Training is overrated. Glad to see you back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    Training is overrated.
    My TSS going into this was 400. For the month of July. August was 35.

    I did the race mostly to try to help my teammates. I tried. I probably could have sat in and made the entire race.




    Probably.

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    MDcatV, I've ridden in that part of NorCal but never raced there. Reading your report, it sounds like you need to focus on your 7th stage. Also, I am still not used to having 60+ guys beat me on a tough course when I am still in the 55-59 group. I keep thinking, just wait until I retire like they have... I'll probably still be slower than they are.

    tl;dr: My race at Brentwood kind of went Like Racer Ex's. Leave out the chasing the break part and it's almost the same.

    For those who care , I got to the race after driving across a chunk of LA County and having a range of weather -- cloudy and damp to raining. The course was wet and as some of you know, I don't race in the rain. I had pre-registered (of course) so I got my number and warmed up on my trainer while BS'ing with some other Masters about the potential wet conditions. As I was getting ready to head for staging the roads were essentially dry. Regardless, I had my tubulars at 90/95 psi (front/rear) because there were a number of damp patches around. Rolled around a bit to get a feel for the "soft" tires and it started sprinkling enough to get the road damp. As us old guys were waiting in the staging area the rain stopped, but a number of people were saying out loud that we should "neutralize" for the twisty bits since most of us had to work on Monday. Sounded like a good idea to me.

    Our race started like any other 55+/60+ race --fast. The 'neutralize' idea turned out to be a fantasy. I started and stayed near the back and had to accelerate from something slow to 30+ MPH every time we came out of the twisty sections. I was not cornering very fast as I was taking wide lines and trying to keep my bike as vertical as possible as there were damp patches on almost every corner. I didn't feel terrible doing the accelerations but I was having to close gaps as others fell off. I knew I couldn't do that for very long.

    After looking at my data, I got dropped at the beginning of lap 6. Someone decided he should take an aggressive inside line for the 170 turn 1. I was slightly behind him and outside. I watched his bike slide out and slide right in front of me. I got things slowed down and swerved enough to miss him. I also got to miss being on any wheels. I rode 3 laps solo. Caught another droppee and we both got pulled a lap later.

    It's kind of sad when you are OTB and people are still cheering for you by name. After looking at my data, I probably would have gotten dropped without avoiding the solo crash but I still had thoughts of, "I should have tried harder."

    The reigning 55-59 National Criterium Champ won the race from a (depleted) field sprint.

    Epilogue: Along the lines of there is a silver lining... I hit the highest heart rate I've seen in over a couple of years and I didn't have a heart attack or blow up on my own. I had been thinking lately that my max heart rate has gone down recently in my old age, but maybe it hasn't. Maybe I just need to get my head around being one with the pain or not thinking about the pain. Also, including my slow laps, my NP was 35 watts above my FTP (IF=1.16). According to the data I left most of it on the road, except for the throwing up part.
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    Nice work everyone.

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    thanks for the kind words everyone.
    @Cleave, this was just outside of the Shenandoah National Park, in Stanley, Virginia; not NorCal :-).

    up next for me is the Church Creek Time Trial in Cambridge, MD. elevation gain is around 0, totally flat 40K TT, it's like riding on rollers with wind and surrounded by Eastern Shore marshland. Goal is to be in the 56 minute marker, with a stretch goal being to go below 56, which for me as more of a sprinter than a TTer, would be an epic result!

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    Hey, Cleave, you're a fixture in SCNCA and SoCal, of course people were cheering for you by name! Your determination is inspiring, too, don't forget that. As always, you rode smart, stayed safe....great job, my friend.
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    Great read MDCatV.
    Depending on your start time on the 16th I may see you pass me. Chuck an apple at me as you go by; I'll be looking for the fast food (white-tail deer, sikia deer and wild turkey). It's easy to distract me with hunting season approaching.

    I'll have that 3 hour or so drive to reflect on your 7 stages of racing while trying to ice my foot. This neuroma deal is killing me and no, the orthotic didn't help...

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    "Old guy" report from 2 hill climbs here: 2014 Race Results Thread

    Warning: long!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
    "Old guy" report from 2 hill climbs here: 2014 Race Results Thread

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    Well done teton. Doubly so after breaking your leg only ~90 days ago..........quite extraordinary actually.

    p.s. I get to race with Richard quite a bit in the Fall/Winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
    "Old guy" report from 2 hill climbs here: 2014 Race Results Thread

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    Great read... right there with a Mexican Stage race that I think went unfinished.
    Congrats on the PR and win.
    So.. is the friend laughing now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
    "Old guy" report from 2 hill climbs here: 2014 Race Results Thread

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    nice job tetonrider. lower power but faster = good. you have more analytical prowess than I do, but could the lower Ws be related to drafting longer or better than prior years? tailwind resulting in lower power than prior years? or, dare I say, a calibration issue? otherwise, it doesn't really add up. either way, so what. it's a time trial not a wattage trial, time is all that matters. :-)

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    Teton, that was pretty freaking amazing. I get the questioning, but jeez, you ARE coming back from a serious injury. AND you beat your previous time. Good thoughts? You deserve them.
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    tetonrider, great job! How light did you manage to get your bike and what did you do that you wouldn't leave as-is for "normal" racing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetonrider View Post
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    Nice.

    Lately I climb like a ground sloth.

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    Really nice job Tetonrider. A PR is just that, not reason to beat yourself up in failing to reach a goal. A reasonable goal set a few months ago would have been doing the races.
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