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    Masters Misc Race Report Thread

    Feel free to start a new thread for any particular race. If the race might not be thread worthy, feel free to put it here- The Mod


    Hi,

    Don't we need one of these? If not, I know a mod who can delete it.

    I'll contribute to this thread later today if people think it's a good idea.
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    My suggestion was the race reports each get a new thread to keep critique comments together with race reports and add media there - pictures suffering in a race or video. If you suck or the race was inconsequential, you can bury it in the twitter style thread. One of my observations of the 33 is that it lacks head line punch. One has to open a thread such as race reports to see what is happening and peruse it backwards. I am less likely to comment on a race that occurred two pages back. That is my 2 cents.
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    Since we may need "2 pages of back fodder". I'll add my own fodder for the good of mankind. I missed our Tue Worlds due to a work meeting. I did have enough time to make the opening night of a 7 week MTB TT series. I made the 7 pm registration deadline by 11 minutes, got the bike ready, warmed up, hit the john and was at the start line at 7:05.

    I started out hard but not stupid, which came later. I got through the first third of the race very clean and smooth. They added a half mile of new trail which went well even though I didn't have a clue what was ahead. On the fast flats of the middle third I locked out the front fork and went break-a-way crit mode redlining it and going OTS after turns. The last third is technical and I felt strong. I even rode up the plank and across the killer footbridge with the pipe railing that broke my rib last year. (I was plotting my revenge the past 10 months!) I did have to dismount twice due to pedal strikes that stopped the bike but no crashes. With 1/4 mile of flat open path to go I reached to lock the front fork out and discovered that I never released it for for technical part. (probably Z4-5 cognisense)

    Finished up a few spots from the top of the Sport Division. Im happy with the finish since the division is open aged and I don't race or train on MTB much.
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    Color me confused.

    Do I post my TT practice results here, or in the TT thread?

    I had a PR in the local TT practice -- where does that go?

    Here are those stats, altho the official time is 25:48.

    Where should I post that so I get maximum feedback?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rider View Post
    Color me confused.

    Do I post my TT practice results here, or in the TT thread?

    I had a PR in the local TT practice -- where does that go?

    Here are those stats, altho the official time is 25:48.

    Where should I post that so I get maximum feedback?

    Color me confused.
    You could start your own thread, if you like. That was Hermes suggestion for maximum visibility. I'd sort of assumed the TT thread was principally for discussing training, preparation, equipment and all that stuff that novices like me need to understand. What I intend to do when I'm back on the bike is use the race report thread for brief factual "raced this, did that" stuff and start new threads for races where I have more to say or want to generate some specific feedback. we can make up this forum as we go along, there are no penalties for trial and error.

    And congrats on the PR.
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    RR, I think we should go with Hermes suggestion and see how that works out, so please start a new thread. I've found that ignoring a Hermes suggestions isn't usually indicative of intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    RR, I think we should go with Hermes suggestion and see how that works out, so please start a new thread. I've found that ignoring a Hermes suggestions isn't usually indicative of intelligence.
    RR, Post here, start a new thread or bury it in the BS section. If you are going to take the time to do a more detailed writeup or have pics and etc. then IMO a new thread is great. If you are so humble or it was so bad you want to bury it somewhere. then bury it.

    Congrats on the PR. If this software had a like button, I would use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    My wife ignores me and then says later you are always right but that does not stop her from ignoring me in the future.
    I think they all learned that in those "girls only classes" that are not allowed any more.
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    Hi,

    Good, some discussion on this topic. Hermes, I hadn't seen you suggestion for individual race report threads before I started this thread. We can let this thread die if the others are good with individual threads. I can go either way but the 33 "approach" of both an enduring thread and individual threads has me missing things because I don't look carefully in both places.

    I guess I should have titled this thread, "Should We Have a Race Report Thread?"

    I can have our 50+ mod delete this thread if others are OK with that to eliminate future confusion.

    I won't have that many separate threads because most of my results are meh (as the cool internet kids say).
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    I'll take it out if that's the consensus...

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    I'm comfortable with that, as long as it doesn't discourage anyone from posting reports.

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    I'm okay either way, but this describes me:

    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    I'm comfortable with that, as long as it doesn't discourage anyone from posting reports.
    I'd post in an ongoing thread, but I wouldn't start a whole new thread just to mention any of my races. Like, for instance, the omnium I did last night at the Encino velodrome. Which was super fun... and I won (the "B"s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    I'm okay either way, but this describes me:



    I'd post in an ongoing thread, but I wouldn't start a whole new thread just to mention any of my races. Like, for instance, the omnium I did last night at the Encino velodrome. Which was super fun... and I won (the "B"s).
    Thats a pity. Plenty of material in an omnium for a thread...

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    Hi VanceMac and chasm54,

    I think the idea is that if you think a race is worth a separate thread then create one. If it is not put your race comment in the shooting the bull thread or maybe the training thread. At least that's what I think we're trying to get some consensus (meaning can you live with that) feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
    Hi VanceMac and chasm54,

    I think the idea is that if you think a race is worth a separate thread then create one. If it is not put your race comment in the shooting the bull thread or maybe the training thread. At least that's what I think we're trying to get some consensus (meaning can you live with that) feedback.
    Suits me...

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    I am fine any method / format. Today, we only have a few participants so anything will work. And some of our participants such as Cleave do 60+ races per year with potentially 4 on the weekend. ShovelHD is similar doing a lot of racing. And they may or may not need / want comments although I think we all like recognition of some kind.

    So maybe the way to organize is to leave this thread in tact and remove our discussion. We use this for race reports and let the racers decide if they want a separate thread. From my perspective, I like the more elaborate write-ups with pictures and it would be great if we got some separate threads. I like creative stuff and racers in this forum should not fear being told that they put something in the wrong place.

    And one can always bury a race report in training or the BS section.
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    Photo from Wednesday's omnium.


    Omnium consisted of Point-a-lap, Win-n-Out, and Scratch races. There was a match sprint tournament, as well, which I passed on.

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    Congrats VM on winning the Bs and nice pic!
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    Sara's Race Report, Watsonville Crit, Cat 4 women (Open Women) - today.

    The short of it. I finished. A bullet point - those young women sure have a kick, and they are very aggressive. The pack was about twenty riders, give or take a couple. I recognized most of the gals from the other races I've been in. I was EASILY three times the age of the majority of them.

    We had to wait 40 minutes for our start, which was delayed by a previous race. That did wonders for my warmup. I didn't loose it completely, though. It was windy. There was a 15 MPH wind blowing down California street, and the wind was to be a factor on most of the other sections of the course, as well.

    We were given a one lap warm up, which I used as an opportunity to move to and stay at the front (outside front row). The start was neutral, motor paced for one lap and then released. Two gals were very aggressive in grabbing the bumper of the pace van, and then others moved up there and pushed me further to the outside. When the race started, the pace came right up, and I was ready for that. I wasn't ready for shoves I was given to the outside, and I found myself riding in the gutter at 22 MPH. I dropped off a bit to the middle of the pack, and then sat up for the first turn, a right hander. I was immediately pushed off my line by a gal who dove in on me, and I had to back off even further, or I'd have been into the curb. I matched the acceleration of the pack off that corner, but I was very aware I'd have to find a way to rest, and soon. I held my line through the next turn, that 130 degree left hander. I was still mid pack all the way around on that first lap, but I was red lined and suffering. The hill moved me to the back of the pack, but I stayed in contact. I even moved up a couple of places after that rise, mainly because I was willing to hold my speed through the corners where as others were slowing for the drainage culverts (they were not an issue, I discovered very quickly). However, when we got to the hill/rise on the second lap, I blew and went OTB. I tried to bridge back up after collecting myself, but - no way.

    In the end, I was lapped FOUR times. Four. It's tough to stay out in the wind on your own for an hour like that. I did realize on a couple of occasions that I had some wheel suckers with me, once for three whole laps. One said to me when she'd finally recovered and passed me "you have good lines through the corners". Gee. Thanks.

    I did 32 of 34 laps, only because the race ended for me there. I was given a finish. I don't think I was DFL, only because (I think, I'm not sure) two or three riders didn't finish.

    I came away WANTING MORE. Yes, I am outclassed, outgunned, and out skilled. So what. I'll come around.

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    Here's the results.
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    Well done, Sara. I'm glad you aren't discouraged, because looking at that field, with so many Cat1 and Cat2 racers in it, it would have been astonishing if you weren't outgunned. Lots of experience there as well as speed, which is why you'll have found yourself being pushed around. Speaking for myself, I would not be throwing myself to the Cat 1 and 2 wolves, they'd eat me alive. So congratulations on your effort.

    So, you were lapped four times. Yes, that's a big margin. But looked at another way, it means that you were riding a bit more than 10% slower, solo and in the wind, than a Cat 1 winner who was with and in the pack through the race. Plenty of reason for encouragement, right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
    Well done, Sara. I'm glad you aren't discouraged, because looking at that field, with so many Cat1 and Cat2 racers in it, it would have been astonishing if you weren't outgunned. Lots of experience there as well as speed, which is why you'll have found yourself being pushed around. Speaking for myself, I would not be throwing myself to the Cat 1 and 2 wolves, they'd eat me alive. So congratulations on your effort.

    So, you were lapped four times. Yes, that's a big margin. But looked at another way, it means that you were riding a bit more than 10% slower, solo and in the wind, than a Cat 1 winner who was with and in the pack through the race. Plenty of reason for encouragement, right there.
    Chasm, thank you! I see this race as "fuel for the fire". As I said - I want more!
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    Nice shot, and nice win, VanceMac.

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    Way to go, Sara. That's a great start, and I'm really proud of you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Nice shot, and nice win, VanceMac.

    +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    Way to go, Sara. That's a great start, and I'm really proud of you!
    Thank you, thank you!!! That means a lot, AzT!!!
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