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    I need speed AzTallRider's Avatar
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    Tasty, Cleave.
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    Cleave, Very nice and with your usual signature accents. However, I call BS on the no weight weenie parts.
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    Great looking bikes guys! I love the stealth look of the black carbon.
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    Hi Hermes, I know you're just giving me a ration...

    The only truly WW part for which I spent big $$$ was the Ritchey seatpost that was on the Hi-Mod. I sold that post with the Hi-Mod frame since it wouldn't fit on the EVO. I got the Zipp cages on sale through a UK shop so while they were more expensive than other aluminum or "plastic" cages they weren't a lot more expensive. The new Deda bars on this bike are heavier than the 3T bars that I was using and I continued with the relatively heavy Specialized stem. Also the Look Ko Max 2 Carbon pedals are heavier than the Ko Carbon pedals that I was using last year. And the group is mostly stock Record-10 (ceramic bearing rear derailleur pulleys and ceramic bottom bracket bearings).

    Given all of that I assumed the EVO would still be lighter than the Hi-Mod, but I didn't expect it to be just under 14 lbs.
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    So, isn't the UCI weight limit 15 lbs? Or does that not come into play till you get to a certain level of race?
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    UCI races only. I have never seen a scale at a Calendar race.

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    I'd say the main difference in weight between Cleave's Evo and my FC are the speed bars, Quarq, and maybe the frame size. The frame construction is similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    I'd say the main difference in weight between Cleave's Evo and my FC are the speed bars, Quarq, and maybe the frame size. The frame construction is similar.
    They look VERY similar...both are beautiful bikes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Cleave, I love it. Love it! What size is it?

    I'm soooooooo jealous of you and Shovel. Oh, I wish I could afford me a race rig!

    Maybe if I sell my car....
    Cannondale calls it a 52 cm and it pretty much fits me like a traditional (horizontal top tube) 52 cm bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Cleave, you mentioned handling. You reminded me that I don't like the handling of Look so much with the OpenPro wheels. It's smooth all right, but it's not as sure footed, especially on descents, as it was with the Easton EA90s. On the other hand, the 928, which was really good with the Eastons, is even better with the Campy Eurus wheelset. It seems a little bit twitchier, but at speed it's rock solid stable and it descends like a Ducati Monster.

    I'd love to try some good deep dish carbon wheels on both bikes.

    Then again, I'd like to marry a millionaire.
    You really wouldn't want to marry someone just because he was a millionaire, would you?

    Deep section carbon wheels are not necessarily all that great if you are bordering on being light like I want to be. Even at my current weight I have problems with these wheels in strong crosswinds. I know some of the new designs significantly reduce crosswind sensitivity but if (when?) I replace these wheels I will probably go back to something like a Zipp 303 (38 mm deep) wheel.

    Wheels can make a noticeable difference in handling but I think the predominant factor is frame geometry so if you like your Bianchi's handling then good wheels should just make it a bit better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esteban58 View Post
    So, isn't the UCI weight limit 15 lbs? Or does that not come into play till you get to a certain level of race?
    Theoretically, the weight limit only applies at national championship events in the US. I say theoretically because USA Cycling writes up exceptions to the UCI requirements or doesn't check. For instance, at Masters Nationals the past two years they've made some exceptions for TT bikes on dimensions. Interestingly, they also weighed TT bikes this year at the staging area. They didn't formally make exceptions for road bikes in the road race or criterium but they didn't weigh them either.

    In 2011, I thought they were going to weigh bikes so I bought a cheap, heavy stem and some aluminum mountain bike bottle cages. I also brought some old chain and an inner tube to shove down the seat tube if the bike was still too light. Then I found out they weren't weighing road bikes.

    I presume at Masters Worlds there wouldn't be any exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
    Given all of that I assumed the EVO would still be lighter than the Hi-Mod, but I didn't expect it to be just under 14 lbs.
    Good lord . . . just my frame and fork weigh more than that.

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    I'm obviously doing something wrong... my two road bikes are 16 and 16.5 lbs. The latter isn't too bad considering it is aluminum with deep clinchers and no weight weenie parts. But I might have to put the BMC on a diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    I'm obviously doing something wrong... my two road bikes are 16 and 16.5 lbs. The latter isn't too bad considering it is aluminum with deep clinchers and no weight weenie parts. But I might have to put the BMC on a diet.
    All it takes is a diet of green stuff
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    It hasn't been raced in a while, so I see no need to replace it. It's my favorite for centuries, still:


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    It hasn't been raced in a while, so I see no need to replace it. It's my favorite for centuries, still:

    Carrying a spare tubular.

    Respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    I'm obviously doing something wrong... my two road bikes are 16 and 16.5 lbs. The latter isn't too bad considering it is aluminum with deep clinchers and no weight weenie parts. But I might have to put the BMC on a diet.
    Shoot, my lightest bike - a Look 585 - weighs 18 lbs, though I could lose a pound just by using a wheelset other than the Open Pros with Ultegra front and PT rear hubs. The Allez weighs 21 lbs with the same wheels. Both weights are ready to ride, including seat bag and bottle cages but no bottles. I've got another 15 lbs to lose off the motor before I worry too much about the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    I'm obviously doing something wrong... my two road bikes are 16 and 16.5 lbs. The latter isn't too bad considering it is aluminum with deep clinchers and no weight weenie parts. But I might have to put the BMC on a diet.
    Vance, my Serotta INCREASED in weight this year by about 0.5 lbs, primarily because of the PowerTap wheels. It's now 17.5 lbs. Carbon tubulars are good for at least a pound and an 11-21 Record cassette is very light. That's probably a big chunk of the weight difference on your BMC since we both have the same component group.
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    Okay, I'd like some style input. My new frame looks very similar to my old one, which initially looked like this:


    But evolved to look like this (sorry - no shot with the racing wheels):


    I'm considering either:
    A. White saddle, white tape, and black cables
    B. White saddle, RED tape, and white cables (to balance the saddle)
    C. White saddle, white tape, and red cables.

    What do the rules dictate? Hard to see, but I have a few red accents, including the spoke nipples on the training wheels.
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    Velomanti covers it with rule #8


    RULE #8
    // SADDLES, BARS, AND TIRES SHALL BE CAREFULLY MATCHED.3
    Valid options are:

    Match the saddle to the bars and the tires to black; or
    Match the bars to the color of the frame at the top of the head tube and the saddle to the color of the frame at the top of the seat tube and the tires to the color where they come closest to the frame; or
    Match the saddle and the bars to the frame decals; or
    Black, black, black
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    Rule #8 can be superseded if:

    You do what you want and your wife/GF approves.

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    If you want to see my equipment, you're going to have to shove more money down my g-string.

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    Another possibility - all white:

    Not planning on racing it, but it's the only supposedly purpose-designed TT bike I have, albeit an '87.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    Velomanti covers it with rule #8


    RULE #8
    // SADDLES, BARS, AND TIRES SHALL BE CAREFULLY MATCHED.3
    Valid options are:

    Match the saddle to the bars and the tires to black; or
    Match the bars to the color of the frame at the top of the head tube and the saddle to the color of the frame at the top of the seat tube and the tires to the color where they come closest to the frame; or
    Match the saddle and the bars to the frame decals; or
    Black, black, black
    I think I'm leaning towards going "back to black", as Amy Winehouse sang, for the bars and saddle, but adding some color with red cables.
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    Rev, that Centurion's 80's color scheme reminded me of the Fuji I bought when I got out of the Navy in the mid-80's. Found this photo online:


    I found a training log from that era recently. I was so cute with my epic 20-milers.

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    I think I had a ski jacket that matched that Centurion.

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