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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    IMO the Noah is plenty stiff enough for crits. I'll see a friend tomorrow who has a Noah and a Foil and get his opinion.
    The Noah is plenty stiff for crits, I've owned and raced 3 of them.

    My advice on recovery is to take it easy, let your body heal up, and don't force things or worry about getting back to where you were because you will if you follow the previous advice.

    The reality for most bike racers is that they try to train through illness or injuries when often all that's going to do is extend their healing time or make them sicker. Not always, but often.

    In this case you have internal and external injuries that need to heal, and I think following the docs advice is the right call.

    After getting busted up early this year it was tougher for me mentally coming back than physically. Losing fitness is frustrating, having to roll back through where you were a month or two ago is VERY frustrating because there are points in training where you just, for lack of a better word, suck. Where it's hard and you're not fast. Much easier to train when you start having good days but that takes a while.

    In my case I had a multiplier in that life stuff had been limiting my fitness for nearly two years...I never got to enjoy the fruits of hard training to the extent that I normally did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    The Noah is plenty stiff for crits, I've owned and raced 3 of them.

    My advice on recovery is to take it easy, let your body heal up, and don't force things or worry about getting back to where you were because you will if you follow the previous advice.

    The reality for most bike racers is that they try to train through illness or injuries when often all that's going to do is extend their healing time or make them sicker. Not always, but often.

    In this case you have internal and external injuries that need to heal, and I think following the docs advice is the right call.

    After getting busted up early this year it was tougher for me mentally coming back than physically. Losing fitness is frustrating, having to roll back through where you were a month or two ago is VERY frustrating because there are points in training where you just, for lack of a better word, suck. Where it's hard and you're not fast. Much easier to train when you start having good days but that takes a while.

    In my case I had a multiplier in that life stuff had been limiting my fitness for nearly two years...I never got to enjoy the fruits of hard training to the extent that I normally did.
    Cool on the Noah! I have a feeling I'm going to be on the Look for a long time, though. I now have a set of Easton EA90 Aero wheels (with a Shimano free hub, they came off of the Look), a complete Campy Chorus gruppo (brakes and all) given to me by my boyfriend when he put a Record triple group set on his Bianchi L'Una, and no frame. I don't know Campy, so I don't know where the Chorus gruppo is in relation to Shimano gruppos. I do know it shifts differently. But, I think I may have the basis for a good crit bike with the wheels and group IF I can ever afford a decent frame set.

    Ex. On the training and recovery. As always, you're exactly right. My biggest "problem" has been overcoming that loud voice in my little female brain that keeps saying "you're loosing fitness, get out there!". On the other hand, it also yells at me "you're tired and sick, go to bed and sleep". What I've doing is maintaining, and I'm feeling better and better. I still don't push, I resist that voice. I DO sleep a LOT. Over the last three days, I have seen huge improvements in the surgical site. I look waaaay better, and I feel great, really good. The other (really cool) thing is that my digestive tract is working better than it has in recent memory. I'm healthier!

    Ex, when I do come back, I know it's going to be hard, but I am going to be stronger and fitter than I was before this happened to me. Mark my words!
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    I'm feeling better and better every day! I've now realized how much the anesthesia continued to affect me long after the surgery. I finally have my full lung capacity back, and I can slam the little piston thingie in the respiratory therapy device the hospital gave me right to the top of the scale, easily.

    I took a short, 15 mile, easy ride with my boyfriend yesterday on my super heavy CFR Team (22 pounds). I did "hit it" on two short climbs (if you call them that) and I was really surprised at well I went up those little hills. Towards the end of the ride, I was warmed up and feeling loose and really good, so I hopped on to the rear bumper of a minivan on Oceanview Drive and motorpaced for a mile or so at 22 MPH - easy!!! It's fun playing rabbit for the boyfriend, too, but he rarely takes the bait.

    Next week, I'll be ready to get back to training in earnest. Yay!!
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    That's good news Sara! The time off the bike allowed for good recovery.
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    Just don't overdo it coming back. You really don't have that far to go to get back so don't push it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Just don't overdo it coming back. You really don't have that far to go to get back so don't push it.
    Amen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    ...easy ride with my boyfriend...
    You're being redundant, Sara.
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    Yeaaaahhhhh....easy is redundant, isn't it?

    It's been hard laying low, but you guys, you're so right - it's really paying off. I can't wait to get back, but I will wait to get back!
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    I did the Tuesday group ride this week, as sort of a gauge for me. I'm also still trying to get used to the Powertap. I'm trying to figure out how to merge the PT data with the data from my Garmin. I'm pretty sure that can be done in Poweragent (and probably TrainingPeaks), I just have to put my (weak) mind to it and decide how it's done.

    The ride Tuesday was dismal. Or, it felt dismal. I abandoned the ride at the half way point. I didn't want to chance trying those steep climbs in the second half of the ride just yet, and I had doubts I had the strength to do them, anyway.

    I uploaded the ride to TP and Poweragent, and what I saw was a bit of a surprise. First of all, Strava is not that far off on average power (at least for me), but what caused me to smile was the 5 second, 10 second, 30 second, etc. power numbers. Oh, I know I'm milk toast, but I did better than I thought. It looks like my FTP is right around 130 watts right now, and I am able to generate a max power of 498 watts.

    Here's the page:

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    On another note, my boyfriend rides a Bianchi L'Una - a white carbon 928. His is a 61CM 2005 bike, Campy Record triple, 13t 28 cassette, and it's very beautiful. He found a 53CM L'Una frame on eBay, perfect condition, and he decided I needed to have it. I contacted our local Bianchi-ista (Bianchtiste?), Cleave, about it, and I got the same impression from him as I did from my friend Hector at my LBS (who represent Bianchi). It's an okay bike, not great, not terribly light (but it's lighter than my Look 566), and I could do better with the $1100 the frame is going for. I thought so. However, the deed has been done, or at least, my B/F has bid on it (for me). And, I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. Hector at the LBS said it could make a decent crit bike, and it's an pretty good tourer, as well. But, it's dated. The plan is to build it up with Campy Chorus (compact, but I might have standard chain rings put on it), 11t-25 (or something like that), my Easton EA90 Aero wheel set, Conti GP4000S (700-25's) with the idea to keep it as light as possible. Before my B/F bid on it, I made sure it fit - Hector at the LBS put me on a 53CM Narone, and took some measurements. What do you know, that bike actually fit me better than my Look does.

    If I end up with the L'Una, I'm going to have to evaluate whether or not I keep the Look. I love my 566, I don't want to part with it, but I don't need two bikes THAT similar. I need a CRIT BIKE, and the L'Una is not a pure race bike (neither is the Look).

    Maybe someone will outbid him!

    Fingers crossed....
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    Welcome to the wonder world of Power Sara! No more HR zones or PE, just truth in numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    Welcome to the wonder world of Power Sara! No more HR zones or PE, just truth in numbers.
    And surprising truth!
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    I just discovered that my PT computer (it is NOT the 2.4, but it is an SL) does NOT work with the coded HR strap my Garmin uses - but it DOES read the non-coded Suunto strap my T3D used. Yay!! Small victory. Now "coach" can get ALL of my data When I start training up again)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    Welcome to the wonder world of Power Sara! No more HR zones or PE, just truth in numbers.
    I find all three to be of value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Conti GP4000S (700-25's) with the idea to keep it as light as possible.
    Go with the 23's, because they're actually 24's. I run them with Michelin latex tubes. Save some weight. They are my standard race tires, and I race primarily criteriums. Excellent in all conditions. Never let me down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    Go with the 23's, because they're actually 24's. I run them with Michelin latex tubes. Save some weight. They are my standard race tires, and I race primarily criteriums. Excellent in all conditions. Never let me down.
    Okay, I will! Shove, what do you think of the bike?
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    Drooled on this:



    Four days after surgery. OMG, was I swollen up.



    Yes, I have a time trial bike:



    Not bikes, but way cool! I hear they're fast, too...

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    I watched a bit of the America's Cup "World Series" over the weekend. The AC45's are way fast, but I prefer monohulls, which can mix it up at the marks without fouling. It seemed every time the boats got close one of them would get the light turned on that meant they had to lose a couple of boat lengths as a penalty. Really hampers the spectating. You need to able to see the impact of the tactics develop over the course of a race, and I wasn't getting that. The really short legs and "gates" might make it better for onshore spectators, but overall, I'll pass on it. And, they are doing the buildup in one class of boats, and racing the cup in another? Between the frequent legal messes, and the constant juggling of organizational approaches, I can no longer stay on top of it all.

    Not and feed my cycling pathos, anyway.

    Good luck on sorting out the N+1, Sara. Be sure you are making a well-reasoned choice, that matches your plans..
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Okay, I will! Shove, what do you think of the bike?
    I'm really not qualified to say. I haven't ridden or even seen a Bianchi 928. I don't know what year it is, so all I had to go by was 2010 geometry. Given all that, it looks like a heavy frame, but that's not a big deal for crits. The geometry looks very square. How well that works for you is very personal, but I like and ride a fairly square bike. The head tube is a bit long for the size, and the head tube angle is a little bit relaxed. There was no data on BB height or wheelbase. Based on this information, it seems like it would be stable but not super nimble, the kind of bike you may have to muscle through the twisty stuff but would be rock solid under power.

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    Shovel, the 53CM bike has a 978mm wheelbase, 74 degree seat tube angle, 72 degree head tube angle, 43mm of fork rake, and a standover of 30 inches. Here's a picture of a 53CM bike:


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    AzT, I think that the "money" has ruined the America's Cup racing. I preferred the days of Dennis Conner and the 12 meter mono-hulls (oh, that Aussie winged-keel boat!). During the hey-day of those boats and those races, I had a sailboat (well, my family did). It was hull number 4883, a cedar plank Lightning (a 19 foot one design planing hull centerboard sloop). I crewed for a boyfriend on his Blue Jay during that time, too. We actually won some heats in a few Eastern Long Island regattas! That was fun! Do I miss sailing? Nope. I don't know why, either.
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    This morning marked the beginning of the "rebuilding". I did a 40 minute 10 mile ride on the Giant. After a short warmup, I tried some efforts for some benchmarks. My cardio is way down. That's got to come first, I guess. I think I'm going to have to do some running to help build that back up. Apparently the surgery and the huge fluid buildup after it really stressed my heart and lungs. My lungs are back, but my heart isn't. Then, there is the muscle loss. Along with that are the fat stores - the "long term" energy banks. They're gone. When I cook off the glycogen in a short effort, there is nothing left to sustain, and recovery can take three or minutes. OMG...

    I've a long way to go. However, when I think back to how pitiful I was 6 or 7 years ago, I'm a total monster!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    AzT, I think that the "money" has ruined the America's Cup racing. I preferred the days of Dennis Conner and the 12 meter mono-hulls (oh, that Aussie winged-keel boat!). During the hey-day of those boats and those races, I had a sailboat (well, my family did). It was hull number 4883, a cedar plank Lightning (a 19 foot one design planing hull centerboard sloop). I crewed for a boyfriend on his Blue Jay during that time, too. We actually won some heats in a few Eastern Long Island regattas! That was fun! Do I miss sailing? Nope. I don't know why, either.
    I sailed for 25 years on the Great Lakes and Florida. I miss it once and a while. I've had motorcycles for 17 years and I miss them as well. Besides upkeep and insurance, I'm glad I'm riding bicycles now.
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    My past addictions include sailing and underwater photography. Both are unique, as are flying and cycling. Of the things I no longer do, I miss the underwater photography more than the sailing. There was a lightning fleet where I sailed for quite a few years at Mission Bay Yacht Club, Sara, and I crewed a Lightning a time or two. There is also a fleet here in Arizona on Lake Pleasant. I moved on to offshore boats from the dinghies. Offshore sailing makes the costs of bike racing seem penny-ante.
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    "Offshore sailing makes the costs of bike racing seem penny-ante."

    That's for sure!!!
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