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    [QUOTE=Hermes;14698991 Electronic displays must be mounted under the saddle.[/QUOTE]

    So, I take it that one would need to be really deep "in the drops" to read their computer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    So, I take it that one would need to be really deep "in the drops" to read their computer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post
    So, I take it that one would need to be really deep "in the drops" to read their computer.
    Racer Ex can read his SRM under his seat.

    The reality is that on the 160 track, you will be going too fast to take your eyes off the track to look at electronics on the bars and you will be mostly turning. I cannot look at electronics in the turns. If I have one number displayed on my Garmin, I can glance on the straight at VSC and see it. That is about it.
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    I saw a lot of pics from Ohio State Track Championships on FB. Did you compete?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    I saw a lot of pics from Ohio State Track Championships on FB. Did you compete?
    Yes I did. I haven't had to time to post the results that just came out. I believe that I did fairly well for a first timer. There was a 10-15 mph wind that effected riding. I might have been better served in not racing the 500 and flying 200 in a 49/14. I used a 48/14 in the 2K and spun better. In the flying 200 the front wheel wobble showed up in both corners. Another racer witnessed it and asked what happened. I know that cost me dearly in time. In the 500 and especially the 2M I was able to ride very close to the measurement line and was even below it in the 2K. The 2K was a killer! My lungs still burn when taking a deep breath. I rode it well but went a little too fast at the start and dailed it back on the third lap when I noticed 31.5 mph on the computer.

    In the overall standings I placed ahead of a lot of Cat 2 racers and even beat a former pro in my age group in two of three events.

    Here are the results: http://clevelandvelodrome.org/wp-con.../11/DOC082.pdf

    The whole dynamic of the race is a lot like a track meet. You warm up, sit, warmup again, do an event, repeat...
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    Congrats Champ on the flying 200 and 500 meters! And well done on the 2k pursuit. Typically, there is not a medal category in the flying 200 since it is used only as a way to seed the match sprint competition.

    I agree. Track racing is very similar to track and field. You warm up compete, sit around, warm up and compete. The hanging around and repeated warmups take their toll mentally and physically.
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    Hermes, I didn't know what to expect in comparing myself to the other guys when I came to race on Saturday. In the 2K pursuit many of the dedicated track racers had TT bikes with solid wheels and I expected to get blown away. The guy who finished a 10/th" behind me is on my road team and has done track racing for years. Joe and I recently did the State Games and he is qualified for next year’s 55-59 Nationals. He and I were on the track at the same time, and I've been told, we had the most competitive pursuit of the day. I was expecting Joe to crush me since he has done these before and was on at TT machine with a disk wheel. I had figured out, using power files, that I should be able to hold 450 watts for 2:45. Using an iPhone app to convert power needed for speed in the drops, I could target 28.5 mph at that power. Of course the calculations did not include a standing start. The target rpm in the gear was 105 rpm. I targeted the race on that data and using the bike’s computer speed for my metric. Being such a rookie, I'm not sure if the 105 cadence @ 28.5 mph is too low, too high or about right.

    They also figured out Omniun champs too. So I ended up with 3 first and a second.
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    I also raced Cyclo Cross on Sunday which ended up as a big fiasco of which I am still paying for today. I didn’t intend to kill myself in the Master’s 45+ race and to just get a very hard workout in. We had 30 minutes of WU on the course after the first race was completed. I went out riding the course and at the furthest point while riding around a tree trunk my rear derailer go ripped off by a root. I then walked the broken bike back to the start line where the festival tents and bike shop tents are located hoping to get a quick fix, like making the bike a single speed. That didn’t happen and I figured my day was over before it started. Some guys noticed me and began to help get me on another bike. They found two size 56 cross bikes but both had different pedal systems. Then some nice guy who was standing there said “I’ve got egg beaters on my mtb and you can race it if you want.” Really?!!!, OK, cool! His bike was a nice FS BMC and it had twist shifters that I didn’t know how to use but believed that I could learn on the fly.

    I lined up at the back of the field and when the race started I moved up into the field past the slower riders. Riding the mtb was a bit different than the cross bike but it was working OK except on the fast paved sections where we drove out onto a pier on Lake Erie, through a lighthouse then back off the pier to the grass. It also was a big burden when we hit the beach and had to carry the bike for 50 meters in the deep loose sand. Not being able to shoulder the mtb really took its toll on me. I was staying within a group of about 6 – 9 riders with some give and take on order as we went through the various terrains. On the third of 6 laps I got a flat near the same place that I broke my cross bike while attempting to warm up. OH well, the long walk back again.

    On the way back to the start/finish line I went to my car and got a $10 bill to pay for the tube for the loaner mtb. The guy wouldn’t take it because he runs tubless and could fix the tire. The result is the bike didn’t fit well, I wasn’t warmed up and two days later I’m really sore from the short, failed efforts.

    Here is an image of the souvenir that went into the tire and out the other side.

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    That was a great pursuit time in the drops with wire wheels. That said, it takes practice in the aero position to go fast on the black line on the track. It took me a couple of years to figure out gearing. Track racers are always fussing about gearing. I did my PR this year in 2:46.6 at VSC in 90 gear inches at a target rpm of 106 which I hit. I did the PR in the 500 in 39.3 in a 92.6.

    I think you are over geared although your results are excellent for your experience. Even 2 gear inches too much can load up your legs in the second kilo. I suspect your legs really loaded up after your opening kilo based upon the speed you noted.

    Does your coach also coach trackies?. It is easy to go fast on the track. It is really hard to go fast for 2k from a standing start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    That was a great pursuit time in the drops with wire wheels. That said, it takes practice in the aero position to go fast on the black line on the track. It took me a couple of years to figure out gearing. Track racers are always fussing about gearing. I did my PR this year in 2:46.6 at VSC in 90 gear inches at a target rpm of 106 which I hit. I did the PR in the 500 in 39.3 in a 92.6.

    I think you are over geared although your results are excellent for your experience. Even 2 gear inches too much can load up your legs in the second kilo. I suspect your legs really loaded up after your opening kilo based upon the speed you noted.

    Does your coach also coach trackies?. It is easy to go fast on the track. It is really hard to go fast for 2k from a standing start.
    You are correct that I need to figure out the gearing through trial and error in practice. My coach does coach a few trackies. A husband and wife, who moved to Oregon last year, both podiumed at Track Master's Nationals this year in their first year racing track. He has me scheduled for 1K, 2k and 3K TT efforts this week with pacing and different gear selections. The weather and other obligations may keep me from doing that workout this week.

    I do know that I'll need a few of the TT efforts in my body to adjust fully to the stresses. My lungs felt like I was running my first 600 dash or 400 hurdles of the season. Being a former track runner you know what that feels like, training intervals never put that much hurt on as the first race did. I also was not as comfortable in the 500 as I have been in practice. I know that my start was woeful compared to some of my practice efforts.
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    Wow! Great job! You beat Rudy Sroka! I didn't realize that Rudy and I are the same age. He was a national level racer back in the 1970s and 1980s. I believe he had a brother who raced too.

    Anyway, I wish I was as fast as you the first time I raced on the track.
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    The kilo, 2k and 3k are completely different races. Many believe the kilo is the hardest race in cycling which is due to going so deep into the red. The pain is immense and the standing start critical. 50+ racers do not do the kilo. Even Chris Hoy did not really do that many kilos. He did a lot of flying efforts and standing starts.

    The 2k is the 50+ race and can be ridden like a kilo with a hard first kilo and then really suffer in the second kilo, evenly spaced effort laps or negative split laps. The standing start is an 80% effort although I prefer to hit it hard like a 500 for the first 7 seconds.

    The 3k is more like a time trial with the most important lap being the 2nd. Most coaches / racers believe that one should float or settle in to the 2nd lap and then increase to race pace and hold effort steady or increasing.

    Each of those races takes different gearing, starting technique, mindset, pacing and etc and etc.

    My focus for track is the 500 and 2K plus the team events. And the team events take a lot of practice, different training and gearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
    Wow! Great job! You beat Rudy Sroka! I didn't realize that Rudy and I are the same age. He was a national level racer back in the 1970s and 1980s. I believe he had a brother who raced too.

    Anyway, I wish I was as fast as you the first time I raced on the track.
    Rudy is 55 and is a really nice guy and still brings his A race to the Tue Worlds. I can't say I'm catching him as he would still lap me in a cross race. I did recently tell him, light heartily, that losing to him by less than 3' in the MTB TT was a milestone for me.

    Hermes, the TT reps assigned are all with flying starts. The workouts are more about getting structure and riding as the race season will be next year.
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    No matter how hard I try I still suck at cyclo cross. My team is hosting a two day event this weekend. Today's events were clinics and a novel team race. Teams entered up to 7 riders with the first 5 scoring just like a high school cross country meet. I was on our B team and didn't expect to contribute but at least give a good effort. At 30 minutes into the 45 minute race I was toasted and was barely riding in Z4. I backed off and recovered enough to stay out in front of some skinny little 14 yr old for the last two laps. Granted its not my course as we are riding in thick grass and there are 3 sets of barriers that require dis-mounts. My fused ankle is a limiter on any off the bike efforts. The best part of my race was the technical sections and hill climbs where I could get away from the skinny kid and a few others.

    I get to do it all over again tomorrow only this time I will be racing against 45+ and 55+ guys. I do intend to kill myself for the first 3 laps as prep for the State Masters 60+ race in three weeks. Hopefully I go hard for 30' this week, 35 next week, then the complete 45' race at States.
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    A.J.

    I know what it's like to duke it out with skinny little kids in a cross race. We have a local club for juniors that has produced several Nats. Champs in the last few years. The club is called B.Y.R.D.S (Boise Young Rider Development Squad). It is a right of passage to get "Birded" in any level of cross race. Damn kids are fast, and some are good enough to hang with the top P/1/2's.

    Your team format sounds fun, in a painful kind of way. Good luck tomorrow.

    Did my first cross race of the season today. Not much to report, but I'll post something tomorrow.

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    Hey AJ, I own a cross bike, but I don't race it. Kudos to you for getting out there and mixing it up with the youngsters.

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    AJ, hope today went as you hoped. Usually skinny, 14 year-old bike racers ride away from me on uphills.
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    I found out today, according to several people, the little kid was National Champ last year. I guess that he weighs around 80 lbs. and was riding a bike with 700 wheels meaning the bike weighed at least 16 lbs. No wonder I could beat him up the big hills. It's good to know that if I raced in the 12-13 yr. nats I'd be competitive.

    I raced pretty well today in the 55+ race. I marked the leaders from the start after working around several weaker riders who got good starts. By the end of the first lap I was sitting third with a team mate leading. Mid-way through lap #2 I made a move going up the big hill into 2nd. Once we descended and got onto the flats the guy that I passed flew by me and within 45" passed my team mate. From there I trailed my team mate by about 50 meters for the next few laps while keeping an eye on the 4th place rider. (For some reason I just donít have speed on the flat grassy field that feels like riding in peanut butter, probably a riding technique that needs work) We kept extending a gap on the 4th place guy and the leader continued to lead us by 50 meters. With 2 to go I was tempted to make a run for 2nd but decided that my team mate deserved 2nd for his hard early efforts and the fact that he organized one of the best cross races I've ever been in. Marshall worked so hard for the past few days I don't know how he even had the energy to race at all. The last lap was different as I knew that as long as I didn't crash or do something stupid that I was on the podium in 3rd place. The race ended up with the first place guy about 1' ahead of me and my team mate was around 30" behind him. I was able to stay on the throttle for 33-34 minutes today. I did see HR numbers near my MHR several times but I could recover to low Z4 within a reasonable time while still racing. Plus I got some cash to put into the racing retirement party fund.









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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet View Post






    Why are you carrying your bike? Did you get a flat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Why are you carrying your bike? Did you get a flat?
    Someone with an evil mind decided to make a 50 meter sand pit leading into the steep climb followed by off camber turns back down. Then just as you began to recover it was time to get off the bike and run hurdles over two barriers.
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    Nice job.

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    AJ, looks like fun -- not! <JK> Sounds like you had fun (#1 priority) and you did well. Good job!

    As for carrying bikes, that's one reason why I don't do psychocross.
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    Nice riding AJ. Sounds as though you are racing with brains, as well as brawn. Like the move to let your teamy get some glory for his pre-race efforts.

    The sign at the log-hop is hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
    AJ, looks like fun -- not! <JK> Sounds like you had fun (#1 priority) and you did well. Good job!

    As for carrying bikes, that's one reason why I don't do psychocross.
    Nice racing A'Jet.

    Cleave, You have to remember that in his glory years A'Jet was a decathlete so jumping over stuff is in his blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
    Nice racing A'Jet.

    Cleave, You have to remember that in his glory years A'Jet was a decathlete so jumping over stuff is in his blood.
    Plus, if necessary, I could throw my bike really far.
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