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    Simplified..

    I needed to de-clutter my cockpit,
    I removed my dropper post and all my front gear junk.

    Added a Race face aluminum narrow/wide chain ring to the hollow crank I have.

    Nothing on the bars now but ONE Trigger shifter and two brake levers,,

    My seat post is properly cut down to It's safe limit and I found a much lighter saddle laying around.
    My 31 pound bike is now 2.8 pounds lighter.

    I'm going to have to ride smarter and think ahead more, my bailout gear is gone. This will also help me get better at pedaling, I will need spin more and I should be more efficient. I was shifting too much at the wrong times..

    We shall see..

    Two of my old chain rings were starting to shark tooth out, my chain is getting close to Its stretch limit, my cassette is showing wear..
    In a few weeks It will be a 10 speed with a short cage clutch derailleur. going for the tried and true XT...

    The plan you ask ?
    If I can get smooth enough and continue to look farther ahead,(My eyes are getting faster),, I hope to be able to carry more speed and not need
    the granny ring.

    If I Fail,, I'll re-do the front to a 2X system......
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    Ditching the dropper post was a false economy.

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    I sat on a bike with a dropper post today... I've been missing out all these years!
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    +1 on the dropper, if you bought it, you may as well use it.

    For gearing, what about a M8000 XT RD, Cassette (11-40 or 11-42) & shifter

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    Yeah the dropper's cable got all sticky and crunchy, needs a good cleaning. The post will prolly go back on because I used it a whole bunch on every ride.
    But The thing I noticed was all the faster guys don't run them. Those I talked to that had run them in the past said they never felt the seat was In the way without one and preferd not to pay the weight penalty.
    So now that I can move better and handle my bike better I will try riding for a month without one and see.


    As "For gearing, what about a M8000 XT RD, Cassette (11-40 or 11-42) & shifter ?"

    I think I'll look into that, I've seen guys running my SLX and a narrow wide and not dropping chains,,again we shall see for a ride or two only..
    That M8000 and a 11 X 40t sounds righteous,

    Thanks for the tip jimc101
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    I tried a dropper post, and I really didn't like it. It made me nervous to suddenly lose the reference point of the seat between my thighs. Then again, I've been biking for years, and I'm used to getting up and off the back of the saddle when it gets really steep.

    1x drivetrains are great. Then again, I mostly ride single speeds, so any gears more than one seems like a luxury.
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    First Ride: Shimano Deore XT M8000 - Pinkbike

    Not Available untill August 2015 but I will buy a new chain and 9 speed cassette and wait for this system.
    The cost is IMO reasonable.
    $140 for the 11-42 11 speed cassette,
    $120 for the rear derailleur,
    $75 for the trigger and what $40 for a chain,,,,That's all I need...

    FYI:
    I could really really REALLY feel the the missing 2.8 pounds, a bike at 28 pounds Is a big change from 31 pounds.
    I'll prep the dropper, clean and re-lube the cable is all it needs, hang it in the closet and may,,may put it back on when I get the 1X11

    Climbing and acceleration was obviously better but the surprise for me was how much better I could move the bike under me.

    My first bunny hop at this new weight was a real treat I tell ya
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    Quote Originally Posted by dminor View Post
    Ditching the dropper post was a false economy.
    Really?

    Isn't he in Florida?

    Highest elevation above sea level is about 300'.

    Who knows how close he is to that?

    If I were there, I would be back on a single-speed, and not think twice about it.

    Heck, I get more than 300' of elevation gain just riding to the trail head......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Wheelie View Post
    Really? Isn't he in Florida? Highest elevation above sea level is about 300'. Who knows how close he is to that? If I where there, I would be back on a single-speed, and not think twice about it. Heck, I get more than 300' of elevation gain just riding to the trail head......
    My dropper didn't help me climb it simply got the seat down low so I could pinch it closer to my knee's while getting my torso extra low.
    Getting extra low is not the only thing It does. It lets you keep your mass lower and more centered over the cranks.
    With the seat at a normal height you can only get behind the seat or rest your gut on it.
    I ride In the old reclaimed phosphate mines. There It's hilly that's all, Think,, Up 30 feet at 45 degree angle or almost straight down for 30'..
    We have roller flow's where IF you can hold good speed you can get air on the tops.

    In the flats the lowered seat lets me pitch the bike way way over for fast sweepers and not get hung behind or In front of the seat...

    Me now riding with OUT it I will have to rely less on extreme body movement and more on Smooth transitions, I will have to finesse the bike to get traction In corners and will be forced to, 'Let the Bike go' more on steep decents..

    I will have to ride lighter and be much more relaxed and loose, That's how the more experienced riders that do not use a dropper explained it to me..

    Hey, I listen because these people are my age, been at this forever and are fast as all get out

    A comment from one who really really rides well was, "The Droppers are a great confidence builder and training tool"

    Another observation,, the really fast guys do not use wide bars as far as I can see..
    When asked why they say wide bars help people with less upper body strength, they told me mine at 710 mm was more than wide enough..
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    Quote Originally Posted by osco53 View Post
    My dropper didn't help me climb it simply got the seat down low so I could pinch it closer to my knee's while getting my torso extra low.
    Getting extra low is not the only thing It does. It lets you keep your mass lower and more centered over the cranks.
    With the seat at a normal height you can only get behind the seat or rest your gut on it.
    I ride In the old reclaimed phosphate mines. There It's hilly that's all, Think,, Up 30 feet at 45 degree angle or almost straight down for 30'..
    We have roller flow's where IF you can hold good speed you can get air on the tops.

    In the flats the lowered seat lets me pitch the bike way way over for fast sweepers and not get hung behind or In front of the seat...

    Me now riding with OUT it I will have to rely less on extreme body movement and more on Smooth transitions, I will have to finesse the bike to get traction In corners and will be forced to, 'Let the Bike go' more on steep decents..

    I will have to ride lighter and be much more relaxed and loose, That's how the more experienced riders that do not use a dropper explained it to me..

    Hey, I listen because these people are my age, been at this forever and are fast as all get out
    Roger that. I understand the benefits of a dropper on descents. I was just coming from the perspective that you don't get use of it for more than 2-3 seconds at a time. But you are dragging the weight of it around with you ALL of the time. I would think that you are VERY CLOSE to the point of the cost exceeding the benefit.

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    I keep a dedicated SS for SSimplification.

    Mountain biking, in it's purest form, is far from simple.
    Nothing better than a good chain lube thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Wheelie View Post
    Roger that. I understand the benefits of a dropper on descents. I was just coming from the perspective that you don't get use of it for more than 2-3 seconds at a time. But you are dragging the weight of it around with you ALL of the time. I would think that you are VERY CLOSE to the point of the cost exceeding the benefit.
    Yeah. come to think of it you nailed It.
    The thing would serve more aggressive down hill riders more that It did me.
    Two rides now without it, I am doing fine..

    At my skill level when I got it I think It helped me more. I have gotten somewhat better, I may just leave it off all summer.
    then sell it..
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    1 X Is definitely for me

    I am doing fine with my 1X9 but as soon as the Deore XT M8000 Is out I will have it, I want that 40 tooth on the cassette or the 42T with a 34T up front.
    No more wondering what gear I'm in or what front ring I'm on. It's so extremely simple now, If I feel I'm mashing and my cadence Is slowing, click, or click click and I'm picking up speed or spinning smoother or both. Shifting up hill as my speed drops is easy and smooth, easing up the pedal pressure for a quick shift Is simple.

    The silence Is truly Golden, I hear nothing, chain slap is a thing of the past with no front cage noise and my Lizard skin.

    NO chain drops, I have NO clutch, just a long cage SLX derailleur. The Race Face Narrow wide is holding my chain 100% so far and again I have tried to bounce it off, no luck

    I did not realize how much of my brain power I was devoting to managing all the 3X9 gear options, and out of 27 I had only 15 gears, all those repeats. I'd shift then think to myself, "Nope, that did me no good" then shift again to correct things,,, By then I had lost so much momentum I needed my granny ring.

    It's true tho, One thing you must do Is learn to look and think ahead more. No granny ring bail out. BUT learning to look farther ahead does many things like, It S-L-O-W-S things down a little, the things you need to see you see sooner giving you more time to work It out...

    If you haven't, then at least consider 1X set ups. Don't just up and do it, resetting up the front is a P.I.T.A.
    Simply put your bike on the middle chain ring and do not use the front gears at all for say 4 complete rides. A little discipline Is all It takes and most of us newer riders need more of that to get better/stronger anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    I tried a dropper post, and I really didn't like it. It made me nervous to suddenly lose the reference point of the seat between my thighs. Then again, I've been biking for years, and I'm used to getting up and off the back of the saddle when it gets really steep.
    A lot of people do that but it's not a good technique.

    Video explanation here: http://betterride.net/blog/2010/moun...demonstration/

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    Two more rides in on my 1x9 SLX
    Seems to me that my 32 ring up front and my 34 tooth cassette's 1st gear may be all I need 99% of the time.
    I can climb better with these two gears than I ever could with my old granny ring, on the edge of, 'Chopping Wood' I was !

    As For the M8000 XT RD, Cassette (11-40 or 11-42) & shifter, Well that's still my plan next month but now after these last two rides I'm thinking,,,,,

    32 up front and the 11-40,,, or better yet a 34 up front and the 11-42 for a little more top end....

    I can tell you all one thing, Loosing the front gear clutter, weight and the noise Is well worth doing IMO !
    The fact that It's so quiet is really nice, I had no Idea how much noise the front derailleur was making untill after It was gone.

    I'm sold on the 1 X discipline ...
    Last edited by osco53; 07-13-15 at 04:57 PM.
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