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    My latest scheme to get a decent modern XC/Trail MTB for less money is to get a Supergo Access aluminum frame for $160, along with a decent fork, maybe a Manitou Minute 1:00 fork for $400, which comes with a free Cane Creek headset. The frame looks nice from the picture, with the pretty machined rear dropouts and red powdercoat.

    Then i'd get a pair of Avid Mechanical discs for $200/pair, and a decent but inexpensive disc wheelset, $99 for the pair with Rhynolite rims and Deore hubs. I'd top it off with a clearance priced Race Face stem for $20.

    Other than that, I would transfer my good condition 1996 XT drivetrain (shifters, brake levers, derailleurs, cassette, chain) and Sugino cranks with 1993 LX bottom bracket, seatpost, seat, handlebar, and bar ends.

    Total cost: $858.75 for the new parts. I can install them myself (except maybe for the headset and BB), so labour costs would be small.


    Anyone have experience with this frame? Is it a good idea?
    (i know i posted something similar before.. but it was a different setup and frame, and i didn't pull the trigger on that one)

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    BTW - i know i _can_ get a brand new MTB for that much, but the components would be much lower quality. The unknown is the frame.. is it any good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robo

    My latest scheme to get a decent modern XC/Trail MTB for less money is to get a Supergo Access aluminum frame for $160, along with a decent fork, maybe a Manitou Minute 1:00 fork for $400,
    I'd rather have this http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/136...us-Headset.htm
    Quote Originally Posted by robo

    Then i'd get a pair of Avid Mechanical discs for $200/pair, and a
    Totally getting robbed $140 for the pair
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    decent but inexpensive disc wheelset, $99 for the pair with Rhynolite rims and Deore hubs.
    $20 more would get you that on XT disc http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/120...-Lite-Rims.htm
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    I'd top it off with a clearance priced Race Face stem for $20.
    Did you actually look at how freakishly long those stems are?
    Quote Originally Posted by robo

    Other than that, I would transfer my good condition 1996 XT drivetrain (shifters, brake levers, derailleurs, cassette, chain) and Sugino cranks with 1993 LX bottom bracket, seatpost, seat, handlebar, and bar ends.
    You assume that the seatpost will fit. As for the rest of it: It really doesn't make sense to go whole hog on a fork and brakes and back it up with 9 year old drivetrain parts. I don't care what condidtion they're in
    Quote Originally Posted by robo

    Total cost: $858.75 for the new parts. I can install them myself (except maybe for the headset and BB), so labour costs would be small.
    You can get most of that on a brand name bike for about the same cash (exception being the fork) with a brand new drivetrain and control package
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    Anyone have experience with this frame? Is it a good idea?
    I'd do it as a spare parts bike, but I wouldn't go your route.

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    Ok, here goes. I built 3 of them one year, including one for an ex-girlfriend. (If you see an ultra hot blue eyed brunette marathon runner with a smokin' body riding around on a black Access frame with full XT drivetrain, including Shimano discs, and Excalibur wheels, please remind her that the correct thing to do would have been to either break up with me a week sooner, or not accept the bike, knowing she would be dumping me in a few days) Um, anyway, yeah, they're a decent frame. A bit stiff for some people, as I recall. No complaints from the 2 people that BOUGHT the complete bikes from me.

    I agree with Raiyn about the brakes, and wheels. Avids can be had new for about $120/pair on ebay, and the XT/Rhynolite disc wheelsets are as low as $120. That's too much fork for the bike, better to go with a little less fork and spring for some SRAM X9, which I got on ebay for $112 (shifters and rear derailleur). You'll spend a bit more than you planned, but the bike would be that much better for it.

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    I have an asian built, no name, 7005 series aluminum frame that looks identical to that one (same dropouts etc). Could be the same frame, hard to say. Anyway, I picked it up as a quick replacement for my Litespeed HT frame while it was being repaired at the factory. I did not expect much from it, but it turned out to be really nice. Extremely solid, and it handles really well. The build quality is way higher than I had expected as well-nice welds, and good, sensible design. Honestly, it probably is functionally as good or better than my Lightspeed. Not much bling, but quite a lot of bang.

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    Thanks for the advice. Pricepoint has pretty good prices!

    As for the fork, that Fox Vanilla 130 fork looks nice. I'm light (145lbs) and not a gonzo hucker or anything, so maybe a coil spring fork is inappropriate.. that Fox is an air fork right? I'm thinking that 130mm travel might be too much though.. aren't most XC HT frames designed around 80mm forks?

    The XT wheelset looks nice.. i guess i'd go for that over the Deore hubs.

    However...
    I'm curious to know why everyone is so down on reusing my drivetrain. It is old in years, but in good shape and really has not been ridden much (ridden sensibly for one year, kept lubed and adjusted, then basically put in storage for 7 years). What will a new drivetrain get me aside from one extra rear cog and a hole in my credit card? Unless i'm mistaken, the technology hasn't changed all that much...

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    What about the Rock Shox Reba Race? http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/137...loc-Adjust.htm


    It's simarly priced (just under $400) but is lighter and has shorter travel.. and more neat sounding gimmicks Actually, i'm baffled by all these suspension fork options. U-Turn, Floodgates, Poploc, etc..

    Well, i sorta figured out Poploc... it's a handlebar mounted thingy that adjusts... something....

    I wish i could actually try these forks before i buy anything, but unfortunately that's not possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robo
    Thanks for the advice. Pricepoint has pretty good prices!

    As for the fork, that Fox Vanilla 130 fork looks nice. I'm light (145lbs) and not a gonzo hucker or anything, so maybe a coil spring fork is inappropriate.. that Fox is an air fork right? I'm thinking that 130mm travel might be too much though.. aren't most XC HT frames designed around 80mm forks?
    Vanilla's are coil. Floats are air. 130 mm of travel is a bit overboard, but I kept it in line with what you were looking at. Most XC frames are based on 80 - 100mm of travel
    Quote Originally Posted by robo

    The XT wheelset looks nice.. i guess i'd go for that over the Deore hubs.
    For $20 more you'd be a fool not to
    Quote Originally Posted by robo
    However...
    I'm curious to know why everyone is so down on reusing my drivetrain. It is old in years, but in good shape and really has not been ridden much (ridden sensibly for one year, kept lubed and adjusted, then basically put in storage for 7 years). What will a new drivetrain get me aside from one extra rear cog and a hole in my credit card? Unless i'm mistaken, the technology hasn't changed all that much...
    For the most part it would be completely ghetto fab. especially when you consider how cheap a good setup can be had.$79 $25 $15
    Match those up with a decent crank and BB setup that would be miles ahead of that Sugino setup (that's a 124.5mm BB if I'm not mistaken) If this was going to be a commuter I'd tell you to go cheap, but if you're looking for a trail rig you need to step up a bit and help yourself with some better parts

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    Quote Originally Posted by robo
    What about the Rock Shox Reba Race?
    This will save you a few bucks.

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...Sl+Air+05.aspx

    Click on the Market link, that fork is on sale for $288. From what Ive been told, there isnt much difference between the Race and SL except weight.

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    Hmm.. Thanks for the Reba SL suggestion. The weight is the same as the Race model, but it lacks the 'External Floodgate control', whatever the heck that is... I guess i can live without it. It doesn't come with a free headset though, so that adds ~$50 to the price..

    As for the drivetrain, I STILL don't get it.. I shouldn't re-use older XT stuff because it's 'ghetto'? I'm not going for bling bling here, i want performance for my dollar. My '96 XT drivetrain is efficient, light, and shifts fast. What will lower grade SRAM changers do different?

    I do understand the issue with the cranks. They are nothing so great, and i would be more likely to upgrade the crank and BB than the shifting.. Not trying to be difficult here, but i still haven't heard any _logical_ reason to throw out my shifters/derailleurs... I'll do it if somebody explains that newer shifters are actually _better_ in some physical way (looking 'old skool' doesn't count!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by robo
    As for the drivetrain, I STILL don't get it.. I shouldn't re-use older XT stuff because it's 'ghetto'? I'm not going for bling bling here, i want performance for my dollar. My '96 XT drivetrain is efficient, light, and shifts fast. What will lower grade SRAM changers do different?
    I say keep that stuff until it breaks. You are right, the new stuff isn't really any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robo
    I shouldn't re-use older XT stuff because it's 'ghetto'?
    Ghetto is as ghetto does. I think you should use it *because* it's ghetto.

    Seriously, drivetrains are basically a disposable part anyways, like a brake pad. But the life of a drivetrain is measured in miles, not years. If the thing is still running smoothly, use it until it wears out enough to annoy you, then go for the hop up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robo
    My '96 XT drivetrain is efficient, light, and shifts fast. What will lower grade SRAM changers do different?
    To be fair your 96 XT is about equivalent to today's Alivio at best. Things have gotten lighter, stronger and flat out better than your old stuff. The SRAM stuff I showed you is equivalent to LX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiyn
    To be fair your 96 XT is about equivalent to today's Alivio at best. Things have gotten lighter, stronger and flat out better than your old stuff. The SRAM stuff I showed you is equivalent to LX.
    No way! That is totally wrong. Alivio stuff is made of heavy stamped steel and plastic. It really _is_ ghetto. My XT gear is cast aluminum, polished and hard anodized. It looks and feels really nice.

    Anyway, i'm not throwing out my drivetrain. I'll use it until it's actually worn out, and then upgrade..

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    Quote Originally Posted by robo
    No way! That is totally wrong. Alivio stuff is made of heavy stamped steel and plastic. It really _is_ ghetto. My XT gear is cast aluminum, polished and hard anodized. It looks and feels really nice.

    Anyway, i'm not throwing out my drivetrain. I'll use it until it's actually worn out, and then upgrade..
    Fraid not buddy, he's right. When was the last time you really looked at any current alivio gear?
    A friend of mine has a 95/96 DBR XC dually dripping with xtr that he dotes on and I have to say my 2004 Giant Rincon (since sold) with its alivio/acera gear shifted better, smoother and quicker, every time. Why do you think they keep upgrading their stuff? its not just so weight weenies and $bling boys$ will buy it.

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