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Old 06-23-05, 09:42 AM   #1
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are one reason why I don't hang here a lot. Konarider, where does it say in the guidelines that old posts may not be responded to? Locking it was lame IMO. Too bad.

PS: Why didn't you lock the Shimano nightmare thread while you were at it?
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are one reason why I don't hang here a lot. Konarider, where does it say in the guidelines that old posts may not be responded to? Locking it was lame IMO. Too bad.

PS: Why didn't you lock the Shimano nightmare thread while you were at it?
Because it's pointless to do so as the topic was resolved way back when. In other instances, there have been several new threads on the same subject that would almost CERTAINLY provide the data needed.
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They get closed because when an old thread gets bumped, it acts as a disturbance, and if there happens to be a flame war in that particular thread, there are chances that it will get rehashed. Closing threads like that one are a preventative measure taken.

On the shimano thread consider that done.
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In other instances, there have been several new threads on the same subject that would almost CERTAINLY provide the data needed.
So the mods are actually underactive? Because few if none of the threads that ask or discuss "Should I go clipless?," "Define freeriding, downhill, XC, etc.," "Which pedals are best?," "Walmart bikes suck," and so on are not locked.
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They get closed because when an old thread gets bumped, it acts as a disturbance, and if there happens to be a flame war in that particular thread, there are chances that it will get rehashed. Closing threads like that one are a preventative measure taken.

On the shimano thread consider that done.
You posted while I was.

Okay, I accept that much more than because bumping old threads rehashes old info. I at least accept that by that logic there is some consistency why threads get locked.
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are one reason why I don't hang here a lot. Konarider, where does it say in the guidelines that old posts may not be responded to? Locking it was lame IMO. Too bad.

PS: Why didn't you lock the Shimano nightmare thread while you were at it?
That is just part of the deal here. I have learned to live with it. I have never frequented a forum with such trigger happy, overly sensitive mods. I appreciate their work, but I agree that they are often over zealous.

I still enjoy the forum. Don't let the actions of a Mod diminish what this forum has to offer.
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Old 06-23-05, 09:42 PM   #7
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I want to speak in favor of the mods. A lot of the work they do really helps promote discussion in the more interesting topics while still allowing for new visitors to get their questions answered. You always have to look for a balance in moderation and natural progression, and one of the reasons I stick around bikeforums is I like the balance it has. Some may prefer a looser control, in which case, perhaps ridemonkey or pinkbike are better sites, and some might prefer tighter, although I'm not sure where to send them to, because, yes, bikeforums is relatively heavy on the moderation.
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Nah mods seem pretty good over the whole site in general. Definitley not as trigger happy as a lot of mods at other sites. The atmosphere of the place has more to do with the posters in general. Strangely, I find this fora more uptight than the road one. Who'd have thought given the reputation of the respective groups?
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Why don't we stop crying like little girls, move this thread to the "suggestion" area and continue our discussions about bikes? This thread is lame, IMO.
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They get closed because when an old thread gets bumped, it acts as a disturbance, and if there happens to be a flame war in that particular thread, there are chances that it will get rehashed. Closing threads like that one are a preventative measure taken.

On the shimano thread consider that done.
I agree. Starting a new thread in this case would have applied.

In regards to other issues (searching vs new threads) I did post in the other thread to give my point and I fully agree with a newbs issue on this site. So many new people to this site get given the ole "search" response yet when they do and revive an old thread, they still get given crap. Since the line can never be drawn clearly this is a very subjective value. Lets leave it at this to please everyone, if you don't care for the subject or it has been repeated a million times (trek 4300 everyone?) DON'T ENTER THE THREAD. Leave it. Don't post condescending or be-littling responses and let other people help him/her. If they revive an old thread that may have held controversy, which has happened in the past, we can always get the user to start a new thread and close it, or let it open up. This is a Mods decision if it is causing to many problems and/or disruptions

But we can't have it both ways. We can't ask them to search and then stop them from opening old threads.
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But we can't have it both ways. We can't ask them to search and then stop them from opening old threads.
We have an archive function that turns the thread into a text only page (printable version I presume). It works quite well from what I've seen on Google.

There's no reason to POST to an old thread as the answer to the question is doubtless in one of the other dozen or so threads on the topic and if the person searching is then unable to find the information they should then ask the question in a new post so that people who are actually here can post a response rather than question someone from three years ago who isn't even active anymore.

I want people to SEARCH the old threads, but not to POST to them.

It would also help if the ALL the posts going back to the dawn of time weren't listed as "new" for the newbies.
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Raiyn,

To someone new, thats asking a lot as has been proven on every forum I have been on since I was 12. To ask them to search, find, research and not post SPECIFIC questions in either their own thread or a new thread, is an impossible dream.
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To someone new, thats asking a lot as has been proven on every forum I have been on since I was 12. To ask them to search, find, research and not post SPECIFIC questions in either their own thread or a new thread, is an impossible dream.
I want them to post specific questions in their own thread after they search. It's not impossible in the slightest as proven by the large number of folks who perform this very function on a daily basis. We have a clearly deliniated "Search The Forums" just off center at the top of the page all we need now is a more effective archive or better tuning of the options on the current one
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Or, people who don't want to read threads, of newbs who may be new to the internet in general can ignore those said threads but newbs new to vbulletin in general. In this case it is a win win situation. That said advanced user wouldn't have to worry about said thread and the new user wouldn't have to worry about being chased off the board.I do this all the time, I don't/can't read every thread and recognize typical thread titles to ignore. We have enough active/public users willing to help openly new users that I don't need to hop in to every thread that is seemingly new. This saves me from seeing repeat threads and/or responding to threads that may not seem useful.

Excluding the new user forum, we have tried most options other sites have tried and most other sites have failed at. The only way to stop the bashing in both directions is for the older members to either except what newbs don't know and back away from their threads, or suck it up and start just posting, no matter how repetetive. There will ALWAYS be that new user who gets through the cracks who didn't search or couldn't find what he wanted when he searched.
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There will ALWAYS be that new user who gets through the cracks who didn't search or couldn't find what he wanted when he searched.
You miss my point.
  1. People should search for the answer in the old threads
  2. People should NOT post in the old threads. Not even to ask a question - chances are the original poster has moved on long ago and it's no longer relevant
  3. If the person in question, having searched for an answer and coming up dry has a further question (not comment) they should open up a new thread so that others are not confused into responding to people OTHER than the person who currently needs the information. I had to delete a post in which I gently chastized an AOL'er in one of these dead threads who hasn't been on since Oct 04! All because some newb reopened the thread to post a comment that was already acknowledged in the thread
  4. If the person starting a new thread has searched and states something to the effect of "I searched for the info, but I still have a question" they would have fufilled what I'm asking for. I don't think this is at all unreasonable
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IMO when a thread gets over the 4 page mark, no more posts. I have got exellent results by searching, but its not always the same. Every person has a 'unique' question and the only way they will be able to get the information is if they start a new thread. Also people tend not to reply to old threads. Newbies shouldn't feel discouraded (cant spell) to post new threads.

My advice:
1.If its a thread that is asking a question, search the forums.
2. If you have found what you've been looking for then to you.
3. If you have read 3 - 4 threads and still not found what you are looking for then its time to refine your search or start your own thread.

If you've searched before starting a thread you will be fine. Just make it clear that you've searched so someone dosn't jump down your throat.
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My advice:
1.If its a thread that is asking a question, search the forums.
2. If you have found what you've been looking for then to you.
3. If you have read 3 - 4 threads and still not found what you are looking for then its time to refine your search or start your own thread.

If you've searched before starting a thread you will be fine. Just make it clear that you've searched so someone dosn't jump down your throat.
THANK YOU!

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That is just part of the deal here. I have learned to live with it. I have never frequented a forum with such trigger happy, overly sensitive mods. <snip>
People are different. Myself, I think it's awesome that the mods are active as well as have opinions rather than just lurk around in the shadows or use alternate identities to post with.
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I would challenge anybody to do what Joe has here and open a new forum with their set of guidelines that even comes CLOSE to the intelligence, diversity and general good-nature of bikeforums.net. Sure, you can't please everyone and there are always going to be people new to the idea (just like we all were at some stage, don't forget) so if you don't want to be a part of those threads, just leave them. This forum is unreal, it keeps a lot of us entertained while bored at work, it teaches us lots of things, it gives us a place to vent about out problems (mostly cycling related) to a receptive and ususally helpful audience... If the problems annoy you that much just leave them. It's not someone is holding a gun to your head and MAKING you read....
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I don't think the question ever was if the bikeforum.net was a bad forum, or was I sloppy reading the other posts? Hammer (post #9) might be right that this thread could be more on topic among the other suggestions, however (I don't think it's lame to ask for the explanation as the OP did, though).
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The mods make it what it is....
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The mods make it what it is....
I'm not sure if this was directed towards my post (#20), but I fully agree that the mods are making this a great place (see post #18). I just didn't see how the OP meant the question to say that the bikeforums.net was bad - just that he didn't understand the reasoning behind locking some threads.
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The mods do things to posts and threads to give this forum its feel. That invloves deleting some posts, locking some threads, and giving things a shove in the right direction when they need to. I reckon it works pretty well too, and I guess that is why they do what they do
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The mods do things to posts and threads to give this forum its feel. That invloves deleting some posts, locking some threads, and giving things a shove in the right direction when they need to. I reckon it works pretty well too, and I guess that is why they do what they do
Again, you make it sound as if you are discussing this with me, rather than the OP. Please refer back to him or someone who doesn't already agree with how things are run or has questions about it. I thought it was perfectly clear in post #18 that I prefer things like they are here and now.
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Well my humblest apologies for trying to contribute to the discussion your highness. I will leave immediately
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