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Old 08-12-05, 12:05 PM   #1
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Trek 3700..... Is it a good beginner bike

I'm 32 and haven't rode bikes for over 16 years. I'm looking at a trek 3700 and think it will fit my needs. I'll be doing more in-city riding and some off road. I race ATV's and I'm looking for a way to keep in better shape and whats more fun than riding a bike. I have a cheapy POS mongoose right now that is serving the purpose but I forsee lots of broken parts on it soon because I do ride aggressivly, I bent the rear rim already on my first day out. LMAO I know it's a POS so don't flood this threads with replies on how bad a bike it is, I'm sure most of you didn't start out on a $2,000 cannondale so smart arse remarks can be left out please...

Is this a good entry level bike for a beginner that's just getting into the sport??? Money is an issue and I'd like to keep the cost under $300. Please give valuable info for a newbie....
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....... smart arse remarks can be left out please...
I think that the 3700 is a



the components would be

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including but not limited
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It should be fine...and I meant that in a "smart arse" sort of way. Sorry, it's just the way I type.
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What makes the 3900 series better??? I see there's like a $80 difference in cost.
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Let me preface by saying that I am no expert, but I have heard that RST shocks are at the low end.

You should go to your nearest bike store if you can't get answers here. On the east coast we have Bike Line for Trek. Or go to Trek's website and search for dealers in you zip code.

I will say that you should ride each of them though. Don't fall for the upsell when a 3700 may work for you. $80 is 4 cases of beer...fyi.
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The main thing I can see is a little more travel in the front fork on the 3900. Take a look at the Gary Fisher Advance. It runs around $309.00 and is similar to the 3900. I just really like the GF stuff. Mine has been quite durable. See if you can get a test ride.
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Gary Fisher and Trek are both owned by the same company. Their bikes will be very similar, if not identical.

I would suggest not limiting your choices to any single brand. Different brands will have different frame geometry, not just size differences. Head out to your local bike shop and talk with the salesman. Explain that you are looking for a beginner's mountain bike and had the 3700 in mind but also wanted advice on other bikes from different companies in the same beginner category and price range.

Good luck with it, and be sure to get out there and have fun!
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The 3900 offers 8spd vs 7spd, a Spinner Grind1 fork over a low end RST, and an SRAM rear cassette over a Sunrace free hub. Compared to the 3700 that is.

At the $300 mark this time of year I would expect to see the 4300 become available at that price.

Also at the $300 mark just about every manufacturer offers a bike. Contrary to what some people will tell you, the LBS' make most of their profit off of these same $300-500 bikes. The $2k bikes get all the glory, but the majority of rides on "real" bikes are all the lower end.

You should be fine with a 3700 so long as you realize that you're buying a 3700. The primary problem I see is people buy the lower end bikes and then want to pretend and treat them like they're the more expensive models. I'm pointing no figers here because I classify myself in that catagory. I paid $320 for my bike and have since dropped another $240 in misc parts on it. Had I used my head I could have got a MUCH better bike at the $560 price than the "upgraded" bike I've got.

Anyway, just my $.02. If you buy a 3700 ride it and enjoy it, don't get caught up in the hype..
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hey quadzone..

I own a 2005 3700 and do enjoy it. I was limited on $$$$ at the time.

I have been 50% riding on paved bike paths and dirt trails. The other 50% is me getting together with a coworker to run a few "real" mtn bike trails through the woods. For that part of it...I wish I had saved/spent more for a bike that is more adequate for riding over roots,rocks, and into mud (disc brakes). I have only owned the bike for approximately 3-4 months and wish I had maybe a 6500/6700/fuel type.

Don't get me wrong..if you are just doing bike path stuff /commuting (may want to change tires to more road worthy ones) you will enjoy it....but if you beat on the old bike and bent rims you might want to save a little for a trek with better components.
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Yeah, upgrades are certainly fun to do because you learn so much from them. However, indivdual parts added up will cost much more than a complete bike with those poarts on it. Personally, I have a 4300 where the only stock component is the frame. Everything else has been upgraded (some components multiple times.)
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Well I"m eyeing the 3900 a lot more now and also a speacilized hardrock.

Which of the two would be the better purchase or do they match up pretty equal in quality??

I will be going to a very large bike dealer this week to talk with them about the Trek and I'll see what they have to say.
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I'm alot less knowledgeable than many here but below is the links for both:

http://www2.trekbikes.com/Bikes/Moun...3900/index.php

http://www2.trekbikes.com/Bikes/Moun...3700/index.php
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i'd go hardrock. For one, the frame is very decent at that price, and I think it is just a better bike than the Trek.

One problem you will have at your price point is this: you can break stuff. While there is a lot of latitude, more money will get you a better bike. The entry level stuff made by all brands is not designed to be ridden hard or aggressively; if you want a bike to do that and last you will need to spend more change.

That being said, the hardrock is a decent bike to upgrade, because the frame is pretty good, relative to the componentry. So if you're unsure about how much you'll use this bike for serious riding, get the hardrock. If you do end up riding hard, and you break something, you can replace the components and still have a very decent bike. or if you decide that biking isn't your thing, hey, you're not out a lot of money.
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if there's any way for you to do a little better- at least pop for a 4500. i learned how to ride on singletrack on a 4500 wsd this summer. i've crashed hard, ridden in the mud, rain, raced it, and even took it out of michigan and rode tsali, pisgah and dupont last week.

this is not the best bike out there- and i really want to upgrade next summer... but i haven't broke it yet and i pass a lot of girls and even some guys on way more expensive bikes
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if there's any way for you to do a little better- at least pop for a 4500. i learned how to ride on singletrack on a 4500 wsd this summer. i've crashed hard, ridden in the mud, rain, raced it, and even took it out of michigan and rode tsali, pisgah and dupont last week.

this is not the best bike out there- and i really want to upgrade next summer... but i haven't broke it yet and i pass a lot of girls and even some guys on way more expensive bikes
go specialized. trek is lousy, and specialized is better in every way.

That being said, it's not the bike, it's the engine.
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go specialized. trek is lousy, and specialized is better in every way.

That being said, it's not the bike, it's the engine.
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OK now were getting somewere, i want real answers from riders that have owned these bikes. Your not going to hurt my feelings with your honest answers. I race ATV's and it's actually at the welder right now. I break 4130 chromoly steel on it like it's plastic. I do ride hard and will ride it aggressivly.

My first real trail ride, I'll be wearing my full face helmet and Thor Chest protector. If you ain't wreckin you ain't riding is my theory. Keep the great info coming I TRULY value your all's opinion...
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I'd suggest looking at Giants as well. Since they make most of the frames in the sub-$500 price point, you tend to get slightly better components at similar prices. I love my Giant Rincon - but I also don't ride as hard as you're planning to. I got it for $309, and it does have components a notch higher than the Trek 3700.
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go specialized. trek is lousy, and specialized is better in every way.

That being said, it's not the bike, it's the engine.
Squatch how bout an intelligent response instead of your preference backed up with an insult?

I know a lot of people that prefer Specialized over Trek, and I know more than a few that prefer Trek over Specialized. The key word there is "prefer". Trek and Specialized both offer a lifetime warranty on their frame. Both at that level come with comparable components. Both would be equally suited for the application that you are looking for. The first post led me to believe they'd both be acceptable, Quad's last post led me to believe he's going to be a bit rougher than what either of these bikes were designed for.

Regardless, at this level the biggest different is geometry between the bikes. Ride them both and get what satisfies YOU. Don't be swayed by someone calling EITHER lousy unless they can back it up. Squatch’s post was the forum equivalent of “my daddy can beat up your daddy”, which isn’t overflowing with usefulness when you’re trying to make a sound decision.
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And Aahzz's mention of Giant's is a great point as well. Lot's of folks in here have bike's from the Giant line and are very pleased with them. There are lots of options out there, don't sell yourself short by not looking into all of them.
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Well I was able to sweet talk the boss....AKA my wife... Into letting me spend a few more bucks. so now i'm in the $400+ range. The dealer I'm going to has Trek, Fisher, lemond and Klien bikes. I"m not really finding any specialized dealers in my area. The Gary Fisher Wahoo looks like a really good deal with the rockshox forks compared to the RTS shocks on the Trek.

I'll be going to this dealer tomorrow to be measured to see which bike fits me best. If I buy it'll be sure to post some pics.... I'll post pics of whatever bike I get. I"M pretty pumped up about it.

WHat about a good helmet. I need a good brain bucket, what brand should I look for???
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I have a 4300 I got when in 01. Now, four years later the derailers suck. But considering all the bashing it went it help up really well and probably the 3700 will too.
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Well I went and checked out a trek 4300 with disk breaks front and back. But I found out I have a buddy that has a cannondale jekyl that is about 3 years old that he would sell for about $450.

Would the used Jekyl be that much better??
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Well I went and checked out a trek 4300 with disk breaks front and back. But I found out I have a buddy that has a cannondale jekyl that is about 3 years old that he would sell for about $450.

Would the used Jekyl be that much better??
Depends on how the bike was maintained and used/abused. If there are only cosmetic damages (scratches, etc) then it's probably much better. It's kind of like cars: you can get a new Kia for 15,000 or a slightly used car that is much nicer for the same price.

As for disk brakes at your price point, be careful. Sometimes low-end disc brakes will actually work worse than cheaper v-brakes. As an example, the Hardrock Sport Disc uses really crappy tektro disc brakes, and they are garbage. They tend to rub a lot, and get knocked around out of position easily.

As for my eariler comment about Trek vs. Specialized, I'll back up my claim with my own personal experience. Frame-wise, I think the specialized frames are stronger and more intelligently designed, w/ stronger weld designs/surfaces. Specialized also uses SRAM components, vs. Shimano for Trek. I have no preference either way there, but it's just something to note. I also think that you get more "bike" for your money with specialized than with trek.

In the end, though, both brands are fine, especially if you're comparing them to no-name brands from X-mart, or even mid-level brands like Mongoose--they'll be many steps up in quality. But I still believe, mostly from assemblying 100s of bikes from each brand and riding quite a few, that Specialized is better. And if you disagree, well, that's your perogative.
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Squatch, thanks. Much better. Yes it's 100% to each his own and your actual experience given above may be of assistance to him. Much better than saying it's "lousy" and leaving it at that.

And as far as the Cannondale vs the new Trek I'd agree with Squatch as well, it depends on condition, etc. I personally don't like CD because everything is proprietary. True Trek uses Bontrager which is a house brand but at least it's interchangable with industry standard parts.

If I had it to do all over again I'd check out the Hard Rock a little better. Don't know if I'd have chose it or not, but I'd have looked harder at it. I'd have also given Giant a little closer look but that's just me. I'm happy with what I have and it suites me just fine, but trying to offer some hindsight perspective to look at all of your options before buying something..
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