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    China bikes????

    I seen a sticker on my buddies new specialized that said manufactured in China.... WTF

    How many top of the line bikes are made in the US???

    I know cannondale and Trek are made in the US and always thought specialized bikes were made in the US also. Glad I stuck with an American made product.
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    yeah dude.. suprising a high-end american brand manufactures in china..

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    Glad I stuck with an American made product.[/QUOTE]


    Um, my Trek 4500 says "Made in China" on the headtube. Don't you have a 4300?

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    Most Treks are made overseas. If you have a 4300 it is made in China. Cannondale is the only company(big) to make ALL frames on US soil.
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    Trek's hand built frames are made in the US, everything below them is made in China. I think (could be wrong) that the 6500 is the first one made here in the US. But maybe the 6700..

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    you are shocked that bikes are made in China?

    Whats next, cars being made in Japan?

    Where is your quad made?

    Even if your TREK frame was from the US (which it is not as pointed out above) most if not all of the components are made overseas.

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    My bike has a big metal tab on the front Head tube that says made in Waterloo, WI. I"ve yet to see a sticker that says made in China. I understand lots of other parts are from other countries and that there's no bike fully made with parts from american soil. I'm very new to mountain bikes and just was thinking lots of the bikes were made in the US. Guess I still have a lot to learn.


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    Hey Quad, big difference. The Trek head badge is the Trek Logo and lists where the companies HQ is, which is Waterloo, it doesn't list where it was made. Whether it was removed before purchase or not is another question but below that Trek logo was a black sticker that simply said "Made in China".. I have a 4300 as well so I'm not guessing here.

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    Their website lists the factory is waterloo and that's were bikes are made. You can even tour the facilities, so I"m kind of confused I guess. Looks like more than just mail goes thru the location in waterloo.

    Is it possible that they now produce all bikes out of the US???

    what year bike do you have gorsar??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzone.com
    Their website lists the factory is waterloo and that's were bikes are made. You can even tour the facilities, so I"m kind of confused I guess. Looks like more than just mail goes thru the location in waterloo.

    Is it possible that they now produce all bikes out of the US???

    what year bike do you have gorsar??

    Not for Trek. Bulk of their stuff is made by one of last I checked 3-4 big factories in china that make bikes for a lot of other brands. Yeah, I avoid the chinese made stuff, just because if I'm gonna be paying some good coin for a frame, I want it made in a better location. Just feels cheap to have a made in china product. Colnago is supposed to be making bikes there as well, just makes me want one less. I'll stick with my cannondale super v active, cannondale road, Magmaa road ti, and schwinn straight six/yeti dh 6.

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    hey quadzone, not to sound like an *******, but just because something is made by the chinese (which i am) doesn't mean its inferior. the locale of where something is made means nothing. most of the bikes you see around are made in asia, simply because the quality is higher and prices are cheaper. Betcha didn't know the Santa Cruz Jackal is made in taiwan, did ya? As a matter of fact, all the single pivot and hardtail santa cruz's are made in asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revmonkey
    hey quadzone, not to sound like an *******, but just because something is made by the chinese (which i am) doesn't mean its inferior. the locale of where something is made means nothing. most of the bikes you see around are made in asia, simply because the quality is higher and prices are cheaper. Betcha didn't know the Santa Cruz Jackal is made in taiwan, did ya? As a matter of fact, all the single pivot and hardtail santa cruz's are made in asia.
    It has nothing to do with quality.

    It has 100% to do with the fact that you can work people to death in China for pennies. To boot, you don't have to worry about disposing of those "pesky chemicals" properly.

    China is the worlds largest gulag. The addition of capitalism just means people are now forced to FIND a gulag rather than being assigned one.

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    I checked into the Trek situation, and some of thier bikes are made in the USA, but most are overseas, here is what a TREK rep told me, (verbatim):
    "The only hardtails that are made in the US for 2006 are the 9.8 and 9.9 carbon hardtails(starting @ approximately 3850$). Nearly all of the full suspension bikes are made here, starting @ approximately - 1540$
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    X12084"

    If you really want to support a MADE IN USA company buy Cannondale. I am usually a stickler on choosing USA products if given a choice, just to support the homeland, but I am buying a specialized becuase I prefer the bike and the frame is warrantied for life and the parts are warrantied as well through my LBS.
    It sucks if you want to support US workers, but, welcome to planet earth 2005, not much we can do about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzone.com
    I seen a sticker on my buddies new specialized that said manufactured in China.... WTF

    How many top of the line bikes are made in the US???

    I know cannondale and Trek are made in the US and always thought specialized bikes were made in the US also. Glad I stuck with an American made product.
    Welcome to the modern economy?

    ...

    Nearly all, and I actually mean ALL bikes are made overseas. I actually thought most frames were built in Taiwan?

    Your 4300 is definitely not an "American made product."

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    Quote Originally Posted by revmonkey
    hey quadzone, not to sound like an *******, but just because something is made by the chinese (which i am) doesn't mean its inferior. the locale of where something is made means nothing. most of the bikes you see around are made in asia, simply because the quality is higher and prices are cheaper. Betcha didn't know the Santa Cruz Jackal is made in taiwan, did ya? As a matter of fact, all the single pivot and hardtail santa cruz's are made in asia.
    I'm going to have to agree with wiltsmith on this...

    The quality is higher for the price, but the quality is most certainly not higher. They are pretty much equal due to the machine age.

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    so it's made in china/taiwan. big, fat, hairy deal. They make crap stuff in western countries too, it's called "comparative advantage" - where some countries make certain things better (read: either better quality or cheaper with negligible difference in quality) than other countries. Just so happens labour cost is cheaper in developing countries making it cheaper to make bicycle frames in china of the same quality. incidentally, most of the insides of your computer are made in taiwan.

    In the end, quality control is under the scrutiny of the manufacturing company and doesn't depend on the country of origin.
    That's a lie.

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    Giant is actually originated from Taiwan, so no surprise there I guess.

    I've got a Schwinn (pacific cycle), and I was surprised to see at the bike rack today a Trek with parts that weren't much better than what I had. I didn't really get a close up, but I saw like the brakes were the non-V kind..where its on cheap bicycles. Deraileurs looked like the same shimano parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feltup
    Cannondale is the only company(big) to make ALL frames on US soil.
    No longer true... their all carbon stuff is coming from overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seely
    No longer true... their all carbon stuff is coming from overseas.
    Hmmm... whoah! Do they still use the USA or Handmade in America sticker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callaway
    Hmmm... whoah! Do they still use the USA or Handmade in America sticker?
    Only on their stuff made here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nos
    Only on their stuff made here.
    At least they are honest
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    Quote Originally Posted by Funkychicken
    so it's made in china/taiwan. big, fat, hairy deal. They make crap stuff in western countries too, it's called "comparative advantage" - where some countries make certain things better (read: either better quality or cheaper with negligible difference in quality) than other countries. Just so happens labour cost is cheaper in developing countries making it cheaper to make bicycle frames in china of the same quality. incidentally, most of the insides of your computer are made in taiwan.

    In the end, quality control is under the scrutiny of the manufacturing company and doesn't depend on the country of origin.
    BULL FEATHERS!!!

    Comparitive advantage only applies to natural resources. There is nothing inherent about US labor vs Chinese labor that makes either better at feeding materials into machines and packaging the parts that come out of them.

    China is an attractive labor base because the people are effectively disposable.

    One might as well make an argument that we should return to slavery because that will keep the cost of cotton down.

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    i did mention "better" to be read in loose terms, not necessarily equating to better quality but lower cost with acceptable/negligble loss in quality, please read carefully before making a blanket statement, esp. if you're quoting.

    economically the human resource of a country is part of its resources that should be included in the concept of comparative advantage. you're half right that china's effective because there are so many people around labour cost is low, and that's exactly what makes it easier for the country to produce bike frames than many industrialised countries. there's no point raising slavery as an issue as it is an emotive issue - but might i say that unless you've visited a factory in china, you have no idea how good or bad conditions are there. workers may be paid a pittance compared to US dollars, but the cost of living in china is comparatively much lower than in the US.

    /this no longer has anything to do with mtb - mods move if required or pm replies please
    That's a lie.

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    the boutique bikes like ellsworth etc. are still hand made on the US soil. They usually set you back about $5k, though.

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    I don't mind buying a bike made in China if it's inexpensive, but to pay a few thousand for a bike that only cost a few hundred to make in China seems like too much profit to the corporate behemoth.

    BTW, while I haven't fully decided, I'm leaning on a Brooklyn Machine Works park bike as my next bike. I have to give it a test ride to see if I'd like it, but the frame's made in Brooklyn (where I'm from) at their store and if that's not supporting your local businessman, I dunno what is.
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