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    ? for LBS employee's (and/or others)

    So I've been shopping for a bike for 2 weeks or so, nobody in Colorado has an '05 Kona Caldera to ride, and the '06's seem to be a step down (components and fork), so it looks like it'll be a Specialized...

    The bike at the top of my list is an '05 Stumpy. The bike lists for $1300 (XT RD, Deore FD & shifters, no disc brakes, don't recall the fork) and it's currently marked down t0 $1175. I am wondering if there are any folks out there who work at a shop (or have other means to help) and can answer my question.

    I keep raising the ceiling on my price, but have decieded to draw the line at $900(ish). Is $900 a fair price to offer an LBS for the '05 Stump Jumper above, or will I be wasting my time as well as insulting them? I know ya never know unless you ask, but at the same time I don't want to be an a**.

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    Around here 20-25% off is it. Anymore they give it away. More than just the cost of the bike to consider-overhead, salaries etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by turkish
    The bike at the top of my list is an '05 Stumpy. The bike lists for $1300 (XT RD, Deore FD & shifters, no disc brakes, don't recall the fork) and it's currently marked down t0 $1175. I am wondering if there are any folks out there who work at a shop (or have other means to help) and can answer my question.

    I keep raising the ceiling on my price, but have decieded to draw the line at $900(ish). Is $900 a fair price to offer an LBS for the '05 Stump Jumper above, or will I be wasting my time as well as insulting them? I know ya never know unless you ask, but at the same time I don't want to be an a**.

    thx
    The shop is already taking a hit by discounting the bike as much as they have. They still paid $XXXX for the bike it's just that now they'll be making less money from the sale of the bike. Factor in things like the fact that the bike occupied marketable space for this long, space that could have been used for a much faster selling bike that would have in turn made more profit for the shop. Shops have to pay employees, pay for the space (rent, or mortgage / taxes) utilities, buy new supplies and merchandise the list goes on.
    Bottom line: You can try, but be prepared for them to say NO

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    I am getting my '05 stumpy for a little less than $1000, but I am buying a lot of accessories and referring at least three other people to the shop who don't barter at all.
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    Id ask "Whats the best you can do on the price?". Its better than being told NO! (or HELL NO!) when making a lowball offer and maybe having some tension there. If you planning on buying accessories with it, see if they can work a package deal.
    If $900 wont get you what you want, save up a little more or get something in that price range.
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    it sounds like $1300 was advertised price and the $1175 is the MSRP. Under dealer agreement they can't go below that unless it's for an employee or family member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsbars
    it sounds like $1300 was advertised price and the $1175 is the MSRP. Under dealer agreement they can't go below that unless it's for an employee or family member.
    I can assure you that they are not advertising bikes for more than MSRP. MSRP is the retailer's suggested price, no one ever pays more than MSRP!
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    Thanks for the info. As usual, very quick answers w/ good substance (things I hadn't considered). I will probably still ask, as the owner seems very nice, and I will end up buying a bike from these folks regardless (either the '05 Stumpy or the '06 RH).

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    One last thing: THX is next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company - [U
    not an acceptable way of saying thanks[/U].
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    "thx" is, as stated, a version of Surround Sound. However, it also happens to be a widely accepted, shortened way of saying thank you (much the same way Regards may be shorted to "rgrds" or even "r" in professional, if not slightly more personal, business correspondence)...Just not on YOUR board. Which is duly noted, and will be respected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turkish
    <snipped>Which is duly noted, and will be respected.
    Glad you understand.

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    when i got my bike I was planning on upgrades to the pedals, a jersey, hydro pack,gloves, etc. I paid the asking price( still below msrp) because they threw in the swag way cheap( If Im not mistaken there is more room to barter on swag than bikes). if you are buying accessories you can still come out the same on your total dollar amount, just in different areas. I paid just over $2k including tax for everything and the msrp was $1999.99
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    So tomorrow is the day I will be taking the plunge. I am going to my LBS and offering $900 for the '05 Stumpy on the floor at $1175, down from $1300 (and I need to also buy a helmet, lock, hydration "stuff", shoes for clipless pedals on the bike, etc). I can/will go up a little from there, but can't spend over 1k on the bike.

    Option B, if they won't take what I can pay for the '05 Stumpy is to buy the '06 RH Comp w/ disc's which has an $859 retail at the LBS (of which there are 3 in my general area). I am planning on asking if they will take $700 and order me the black (which they don't have in stock), I figure this is a guaranteed sale, so there are no worries about it sitting on the floor and hopefully they will be willing to negotiate down (I will still need the extra gear).

    I s'pose my question is, has anyone payed $700+/- for an '06 RH Comp at this time? If someone out there has, that will give me an idea that it CAN be done, if not, I won't get my hopes up...

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by turkish
    So tomorrow is the day I will be taking the plunge. I am going to my LBS and offering $900 for the '05 Stumpy on the floor at $1175, down from $1300 (and I need to also buy a helmet, lock, hydration "stuff", shoes for clipless pedals on the bike, etc). I can/will go up a little from there, but can't spend over 1k on the bike.

    Option B, if they won't take what I can pay for the '05 Stumpy is to buy the '06 RH Comp w/ disc's which has an $859 retail at the LBS (of which there are 3 in my general area). I am planning on asking if they will take $700 and order me the black (which they don't have in stock), I figure this is a guaranteed sale, so there are no worries about it sitting on the floor and hopefully they will be willing to negotiate down (I will still need the extra gear).

    I s'pose my question is, has anyone payed $700+/- for an '06 RH Comp at this time? If someone out there has, that will give me an idea that it CAN be done, if not, I won't get my hopes up...

    Thanks!
    Getting any kind of discount over 5% on an '06 model is pretty good right about now. If I had to guess, there is no way in hell you could get the RH for $700. The stumpjumper is a much better bike. If it's between the RH for $800 and the Stumpy for $1000, you get an extra $500 worth of bike for $200.

    When you offer the $900 for the Stumpy, tell him also that you need to also buy all those other accessories. Should make it easier.

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    Well...turns out they don't negotiate AT ALL...New, used, year old, doesn't matter. They may lower the price as they see fit, but they don't entertain offers introduce by buyers. So I am looking at some other bike shops who may be a little more willing to deal w/ a prospective buyer.

    Maybe I was expecting too much from a bike shop. After reading on these boards I got the impression that some LBS's were willing do haggle, but that may not be the case near where I live.

    Off to EBay

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    I did the same thing "Chainring" suggested and asked "Is that the best you can do?". It caused my LBS to lower the price of my Jekyll from $1250 to $1165. Maybe not a big price break, but since the bike had to be special ordered, I thought it was reasonable. I wouldn't enjoy the bike as much if the purchase was a painful protracted negotiation with the only guys who can fix the hydraulic brakes.

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